beefeb Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 OK, so Im looking through the space marine mini dex that comes in the new 8th edition boxed set and I note that the captain of the Ultramarine 2nd company is named as Capt. Acheran. On looking at the text further it states of the 2nd company....'led by captain Acheran in the absence of the legendary Cato Sicarius'. So does this mean that sicarius is dead or something else entirely......? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Sicarius is now leader of the Victrix Guard I believe, who are Guillimans Honour Guard. I haven't read the Gathering Storm 3 stuff and I've only just started Dark Imperium, so sombody who has read these might be able to confirm. roryokane and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Aye, Sicarius got a promotion. Much like Uriel Ventris returning to head the 4th Company. Calgar's been constantly snubbed by Guilliman since he got back, though. Because screw Calgar. roryokane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 'Captain of the Second Company' is listed among Sicarius' titles in Dark Imperium, so it would seem he technically still holds the position and could yet return to reclaim it should Guilliman release him from service in the Victrix Guard. Presumably that's what the quotation is alluding to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefeb Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 ah, cool, thanks for the info....my ultra company is 3rd, so any ideas if Mikael is still the capt there? Perhaps he has been 'primarisified' lol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShVagYeR Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) The Primaris booklet does state that Captain Acheran commands the 2nd Company in Sicarius' absence while Sicarius himself is very much alive in Dark Imperium. Centurion Jay summed it up pretty nicely. Edited June 22, 2017 by ShVagYeR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Aye, Sicarius got a promotion. Much like Uriel Ventris returning to head the 4th Company. Calgar's been constantly snubbed by Guilliman since he got back, though. Because screw Calgar. Considering this is how Guilliman's resurrection went: "Calgar, may I have a word with you" "Yes, my Primarch" "You've run this organization run into the :cussing ground, Calgar" "I tried my best to-" "If you had just died a century ago like you were supposed to and let someone younger take your place then we wouldn't be in this mess, now would we?" "Yes, my Primarch" "The best you can do is bring me back to life to fix all your problems. Its probably the best move as leader you've ever made..." "...I'm sorry I couldn't be the leader you wanted me-" "Now, Calgar will stay behind and guard Maccrage" "Yes, my Primarch" Xenith and Reyner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 He ain't dead? Now I ordered the champaign and party equipment for nothing Oo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4792864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Cato Sicarius dead? The only thing that is going to kill Cato Sicarius IS Cato Sicarius .... and one specific Necron lord. Murderman and Frater Cornelius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4793466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Cato Sicarius dead? The only thing that is going to kill Cato Sicarius IS Cato Sicarius .... and one specific Necron lord. Exactly. Not even GW can kill him. He has reached a level of self-absorbance that not even the writers thought anyone could achieve :O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4793552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I actually like Cato Sicarius. Your primarch thinks very highly of him and has spent time tutoring him. From the novel Dark Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4793967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I actually like Cato Sicarius. Your primarch thinks very highly of him and has spent time tutoring him. From the novel Dark Imperium. He is one of my least liked characters, along with Ragnar Blackmane. Bad boys, that are to young and dynamic for rules, plot armour being the only reason they still live and are part of their Chapters. I really dislike it when rebellious, anti-authoritarian people are shown as successfull. It is simply not true. In fact, it is a great way to get you killed in 40k. In a war, you live and die by competent leadership, teamwork and discipline. Both of them have proven that they lack all of those traits, with ample amount of arrogance to boot. I am willing to change my outlook on Sicarius, if Dark Imperium does a decent job at portraying him. I will pick it up by the end of the month. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4793977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I actually like Cato Sicarius. Your primarch thinks very highly of him and has spent time tutoring him. From the novel Dark Imperium. He is one of my least liked characters, along with Ragnar Blackmane. Bad boys, that are to young and dynamic for rules, plot armour being the only reason they still live and are part of their Chapters. I really dislike it when rebellious, anti-authoritarian people are shown as successfull. It is simply not true. In fact, it is a great way to get you killed in 40k. In a war, you live and die by competent leadership, teamwork and discipline. Both of them have proven that they lack all of those traits, with ample amount of arrogance to boot. I am willing to change my outlook on Sicarius, if Dark Imperium does a decent job at portraying him. I will pick it up by the end of the month. Yeah, but there are merits to striking out on your own and performing unconventional maneuvers. Like that time Cato Sicarius used a jetpack to jump onto Tau bombers and kill their pilots, or the time he personally led a small task force to take out a Necron monolith etc. etc. He may be rebellious and arrogant but he definitely gets results. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4794033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranc Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 So there was one of those new Redempter dreadnoughts with the name "Epathus" written on its chassis shown off at Warhammer Fest. Epathus is the name of the 6th Tactical Reserve Company captain. roryokane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4794669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I never thought I'd say this in the Ultramarines forum, but: Your salty tears of hatred and discontent bring me joy. Brother Lunkhead 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4794817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I never thought I'd say this in the Ultramarines forum, but: Your salty tears of hatred and discontent bring me joy. Enjoy them while you can, because one day I may start to like him (maybe the new book has some good bits) and then you'll be out of tears :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4794833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I never thought I'd say this in the Ultramarines forum, but: Your salty tears of hatred and discontent bring me joy. Enjoy them while you can, because one day I may start to like him (maybe the new book has some good bits) and then you'll be out of tears I highly recommend Blades of Damocles and Knight of Talassar if you want books that make you like Cato Sicarius Blades of Damocles in particular had this amazing paragraph: “They have a point, though, Jorus. I do not deserve to be called a leader.’ ‘Perhaps it’s not your strongest suit,’ said Numitor awkwardly. ‘I’ll tell you what you are, though.’ Sicarius looked sidelong at Numitor. ‘Let me guess. Arrogant? Blind? Callous?’ ‘No, idiot,’ said Numitor. ‘You are a champion. A born warrior that even the Ultramarines look up to. Trust me on this. People watch you slaughtering these xenos bastards by the dozen, and it gives them hope. Makes them believe the Imperium can not only survive, but excel. That’s how you lead, Cato. By inspiring others, and making them want to be the best they can.” Excerpt From: Phil Kelly. “Blades of Damocles.” iBooks. Prot, Frater Cornelius and roryokane 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4794908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 It does look like Galenus is no longer with us, as the Firth Company Captain is now Phelian (Dark Imperium p. 130). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 It does look like Galenus is no longer with us, as the Firth Company Captain is now Phelian (Dark Imperium p. 130). NOOOOOOOOO I sincerely hope he isn't dead ;-; He was a pretty forgettable character at first but he plays a crucial role in the Space Marines Battles novels with the Ultramarines. They really made me like him. The Plagues of Orath and Legends of the Space Marines: Cassius really fleshes him out as a character: Quiet, somewhat boring personality but an absolute legend when it comes to strategic planning and logistics Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranc Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Shoot, Epathus and Galenus are the two captains I use and have painted. Maybe GW is trying to tell me something... Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 That Damocles quote is good and rings true with me. I have worked with people who are extraordinarily skilled and I found people attracted to that, but these same people just simply aren't good leaders. I never read the Phil Kelly book but if I ever get past the mountain of Ultramarines and Thousand Sons stuff, I'll pick it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Awww, I was going to paint up Galenus for my new 5th company...guess it'll be Phelian now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Also, what happened to Fabian? As Ventris appears to now be canon, does that mean Fabian's gone? His Thunderhawk was blown out of the Sky in the aftermath of the Bloodborn invasion of Ultramar in the Ventris series (I think it actually happened in one of the short stories, but I'm almost certain it was referenced in another).Hopefully the new edition will have a complete Ultramarines Company line-up like they've done in every other Space Marine Codex which will allow us to see what's going on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Did anything ever come up in official fluff about captain titus after "space marine" concluded? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4795982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) I do not think Titus is canon, simply because he is too awesome for the Ultramarines. Why? He is an actual human being who has compassion and is not subject to GW writing. Seriously, how come the best characters and arguably Chapters in 40k come from outside GW (FFG, Relic, etc.)? Oo My opinion anyway, but I still consider Blood Ravens my favourites. UM are definitely a great Chapter (especially if you remove the Ware fan fiction), don't get me wrong, but by GW standards it is like saying they are the most beautiful person in a leper colony :D Edited July 20, 2017 by Captain Idaho Removal of swear word. Consider this an informal warning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335372-cato-sicarius-dead/#findComment-4796049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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