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[Gen.Steiner]

No no no. It's an excellent way to transport seven five-strong Stormtrooper units with four flamers in each towards the enemy to turn at least one (and probably several) units into a burnt crisp.

I mean.

That's 28 flamers. On average that's something like... 98 hits?

[NatBrannigan]

You can deep strike those bad boys in though, maybe just shove a load of Special Weapons Squads, Command Squads, Inquisitors and Acolytes in there?

 

I quite like the idea of putting anything that makes my line infantry look messy in there actually. I can imagine the Company Commander looking pleased as he inspects his perfectly paraded Praetorians, ready for battle and more importantly, looking particularly smart! Then he gets to the end of the line where the, shall we say, more irregular elements of his command are stood.

 

"Alright you lot, into the Crassus..."

[Gen.Steiner]

But a deep-struck squad is out of flamer range by 1"! :D

[Mitchverr]

But a deep-struck squad is out of flamer range by 1"!

 

Thats a reason i am liking the idea of the grenadier assault centaurs from the DKoK side of things, you get into flamer range turn 1 :D

[robofish7591]

I'm thinking of getting a pair of the Armageddon Medusas when I place an order for my index.  Does anyone know if their new rules seem decent?

[Karinon]

I'm thinking of getting a pair of the Armageddon Medusas when I place an order for my index.  Does anyone know if their new rules seem decent?

 

You'd be better off with Basilisks. Medusa is only +1S and -1AP compared to an Earthshaker but only has 36" range and doesn't get to roll two and discard the lowest for its hit rolls. 

[Harrowmaster]

Armageddon pattern Basilisks and Medusas have +1 toughness and wound over the regular basilisk. Though I'd get the medusa carriage over the Armageddon pattern as it has bastion breacher shells too.

[robofish7591]

So the armageddon pattern doesn't get the bastion breacher shells?  That's a shame.... Hmm, I may need to rethink my order!

[Tiger9gamer]

what does the vulture do? is it good? Is it worth burning a command point for the auxillary detachment for armies like Admec?

 

also how does the avenger look?

[Stylian_StHugh]

what does the vulture do? is it good? Is it worth burning a command point for the auxillary detachment for armies like Admec?

 

also how does the avenger look?

If you have Battalion/Brigade, can just go into the Flyer slot, no CP burn needed

 

The Punisher loadout is awesome. 160pts for 43 S5 shots

[HenricusTyranicus]

 

what does the vulture do? is it good? Is it worth burning a command point for the auxillary detachment for armies like Admec?

 

also how does the avenger look?

If you have Battalion/Brigade, can just go into the Flyer slot, no CP burn needed

 

The Punisher loadout is awesome. 160pts for 43 S5 shots

 

That would lose Canticles of The Omnissiah

[Withershadow]

Is that how it would work, or would it simply not benefit from the canticles?  I don't see any clause that says that every unit in a detachment must have the same keyword to benefit from a particular rule, just that models with said keyword can benefit from said rule, and models without the keyword do not.

[Tiger9gamer]

"if you have a battle forged army, units only gain the bonus if every model in your detachment has this ability"

 

so I could take an aux detachment, but if I shove it into brigade I couldn't have it, thus I need the Aux detachment or take 3 flyers for the wing... or get the patrol detachment.

 

thus I could burn one CP for it and still have canticles with everyone else. 

 

also that cheap?! that is friggen awesome... but is that when it is hovering or when it is flying?

[Sir_Gaea]

How is the Thunderer Siege Tank in comparison to the LR Demolisher? I bought one to use in 7th but it arrived too late to use and I don't have the new rules just yet.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

How is the Thunderer Siege Tank in comparison to the LR Demolisher? I bought one to use in 7th but it arrived too late to use and I don't have the new rules just yet.

I've never played a game with IG, but what I can tell from just looking at the rules, it seems very over costed and short ranged when compared to the Armageddon medusa.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

The LR demolisher is still 40 points cheaper and seems to have more options.

[Gen.Steiner]

Tiger9Gamer - the Punisher Vulture gets 43 shots all the time, hovering or flying, the only difference being - IIRC - that it's at +1 to hit when hovering (or maybe -1 to hit when Flying, I can't remember exactly!)

[HenricusTyranicus]

It's -1 to hit when flying. If it's hovering, it has the option to stay still instead of flying, giving it another +1 by allowing it to ignore the heavy weapon penalty. 

[NatBrannigan]

The Vulture is just amazing. Those 43 shots are at BS4+. -1 if you move as normal BUT +1 if you're firing at targets without the FLY special rule.

 

Stick it in Hover mode and stay stationary and you're gunning down Orks on a 3+... It's just revolting against just about anything with a lowish toughness. As an added Bonus the model is one of the best ever made. I was going to treat myself to a Crassus but may just go for this instead. Or a Malacdor Infernus. How do you choose between them!?

[Feral_80]

The Thunderer is a big loser - I'm pretty sure they erroneously factored in the cost for its Demolisher cannon in its base cost, which still does not include wargear. Thus, you end up paying twice for the gun. It's the only explanation for it being so obviously overcosted.

 

The Vulture is amazing, as are most of the other flyers. However, personally, I'd never pay a CP to force-include it into my AdMech (my other army), simply because fluff-wise it's...very sad. AdMech is meant to be a mono-thematic army, play it like that. The only stupid thing in this is that Knights should be allowed in without penalties, for they are the only kind of warmachines that the AdMech really deals with.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Feral_80

[Gen.Steiner]

I think the best use for the Thunderer at the moment is as a 'counts as' Demolisher, until the points cost is FAQ'd.

AdMech should really have unfettered access to every single Imperial vehicle, given they make the damn things! Ah well.

[Galron]

Note I am not an expert on the whole keyword thing but since both are keyword Imperium shouldn't you be able to include the Vulture as a flyer slot in your normal battalion or brigade force org without burning a CP?

 

Now if you really wanted to get crazy with the Vulture, at close range drop a fleet officer and hover, hitting on 3s and rerolling ones. Now that is some real CAS.

 

Not seeing the point to a Vendetta. The major BS penalty is pretty rough, so unless you are hovering and holding still, which is viable with 48" range, that 5+ to hit is going to hurt unless you get lucky. I looked at the missile version and found the same problem. Why even bother with a Vendetta with missiles when you can get a Vulture with punishers for more shots, better BS, and higher str for right around the same cost.

[Sir_Gaea]

Really? I bought the Thunderer because it was the Budget Demolisher. If thats true once I get the Index (not saying I don't believe you) I'm going to email Forgeworld.

[Withershadow]

Thunderer costs 170 before weapons.  A demolisher is 132.  The only difference is weapon options and Thunderer has an extra wound.  I'd add heavy flamer pintle weapons and just run them as demolishers.

[Gen.Steiner]

I think +1 Wound is not worth an extra 38 points. I definitely think the way to go with the ol' Thunderer model is as a cool alternative Demolisher.