Servant of Dante Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Yeah. Novamarine players just choose their <Chapter> keyword to be <Ultramarines> I imagine, just like in 7th. You played your Novamarines as Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 It's too early to worry about what might happen. They might make Celestine compatible with all orders. Why not? It works for Abaddon. Then again they might make immortal pink unicorn virgin rough riders of the Emperor's fevered dreams as easily as they might make Celestine unusable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 As I play Order of the Sacred Rose, I urge GW to make their Stratagem "First Dibs on the Pizza". ;-) But if that won't work, then something good for Heavy Support or for Seraphim. Beams and Commander Dawnstar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) All I'm saying is they said they'd give bonuses for each level of faction, and that Celestine lacks the [order] keyword, whilst Harker has [catachans] and Guilliman has [ultramarines] That doesn't mean she's unusable, just that she will most likely require a slightly less specific faction. Rumor has it our codex drops in September, so we might not be waiting too long to see what it does for us. Edited June 28, 2017 by Beams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 All I'm saying is they said they'd give bonuses for each level of faction, and that Celestine lacks the [order] keyword, whilst Harker has [catachans] and Guilliman has [ultramarines] That doesn't mean she's unusable, just that she will most likely require a slightly less specific faction. Rumor has it our codex drops in September, so we might not be waiting too long to see what it does for us. Without a model release, doing a codex like this would just make order specific bonuses unusable (on top of being pretty dumb). Oh, you want to run a Battallion, or 3 outriders or w/e? Sure hope you own 8 canonesses, cause that's your only HQ remember? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Hey, I'm not saying anything that they didn't. Also, a brigade (9cp) is min 3 HQs. I'd be surprised if most of us didn't own Celestine, Veridyan and at least one cannoness. And Cannonesses are like 15 USD. So for the Ministorum and Sisters levels, we could all most likely drop a brigade with minimum investment, and if you wanted a Martyred Lady list, well, it's 30 USD + shipping to go from one cannoness to three. Which isn't bad at all. That said, maybe we will see the age of plastic sisters. After all, they do have Celestines CAD files to use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4801950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If Order specific Strategems are a thing, it's not going to be a big deal to just not use them if you don't want to. You can still play OML and just choose Adepta Sororitas as your faction keyword. Then if you're like me, and don't want to bring Celestine or any non-Sisters models, you can choose the Order keyword for your faction keyword and get a little fluffy bonus. What's the big deal here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4802102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanul Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I don't think we will ever see Stratagems based upon Orders. At least not for non-Space Marines! We might get a codex that has additional rules, formations and stratagems if you strictly keep your units in a formation to more than just one keyword. Like its already in Age of Sigmar. There are items, spells and abilities for just "Order" based armies, where you could mix Fyreslayers with Sylvaneth and Stormcast, if you wanted. But you keep it more strict, i.e. just use Sylvaneth units, you are able to use their items, spells and abilities instead. But knowing Games Workshop and looking back at how they do it (both in Age of Sigmar and now with the Primaris dudes) they won't do a codex without adding new models. And again looking at Age of Sigmar: several old races / codex never got any new codex or even models, so I don't think that we ever get a Sororitas (or Adeptus Ministorium / Imperial Agents) codex IMHO. So they will probably "milk" the bigger races first, specially Space Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4802210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I don't know that I want them telling me that I'm playing with my OML wrong anyway. I'd rather see thematic choices not tied to what colours my models are painted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4802317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'm not seeing how any of this is telling you you're playing anything wrong or right . . . it would (if it even happens) just be an extra Strategems for you to use, if you want, if you build your army a certain way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4802498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Regarding Shield of Faith - no other army has an anti-psyker rule that affects every single one of its models. Being able to take a Psyker isn't the same as a squad of Tac Marines having the ability - however slight - to deny a psychic power. No, it's not "roll 2d6 against all psychic powers lol" but it is something. And if you're that bothered, drop in an Inquisitor, or a Primaris Psyker, or a Space Marine Librarian Conclave, or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Regarding Shield of Faith - no other army has an anti-psyker rule that affects every single one of its models. Well, grey knights. And technically the sisters of silence. I think GW may have over-thought things when writing the rule. Allowing the sisters to take their shield of faith invulnerable against mortal wounds inflicted by psychic powers (or simply making the shield of faith a secondary 'save' like all the other abilities of its kind) would have done the trick more cleanly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 And if you're that bothered, drop in an Inquisitor, or a Primaris Psyker, or a Space Marine Librarian Conclave, or something. Can anyone else smell Hersey in here? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Personally I came up against three psykers in my two games last night. I solved the problem by killing the psykers with fire and bolt.I still think that's the best counter-psyker option for us.I stand corrected re the Grey Knights. Sisters of Silence aren't really an army in and of themselves but would be a nice addition to us I think. Power armoured women warriors unite! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I get that it's SOMETHING, and I'm glad we have sosmething, but it's still basically useless. I really like A.T.'s suggestion. And i refuse to run any witches or mutants in my lists :D The issue isn't that I think psykers are too strong or anything, I just want or anti-psyker rule to actually do something. :P It's not a big deal, but it is disappointing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Are blanks really mutants? Aren't they even purer than normal because they have no soul? They are immune to the blandishments of the Warp! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Are blanks really mutants? Aren't they even purer than normal because they have no soul? They are immune to the blandishments of the Warp! :D Definitely mutants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yeah, I have a thing for pariahs, I think they're awesome because they're anti-witches, but they're definately mutants so you'll never see me running SoS with my Sisters Daimhin 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Well, OK, I mean, sure, if you want to be technical about this definition of mutations... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 well, technicalities are kind of the Ordo Hereticus', and by extension their chamber militant's, thing... so yes, we would like to get technical about these things! Back on topic, sure the shield of faith isn't that great, but since I have seen it stop a few powers from going off, I can say that it has worked for me about as much as adamantium will worked for me in 7th. I just hope that when we get our codex we get some better methods to deny powers, maybe spend a command point to negate a power or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 If Order specific Strategems are a thing, it's not going to be a big deal to just not use them if you don't want to. You can still play OML and just choose Adepta Sororitas as your faction keyword. Then if you're like me, and don't want to bring Celestine or any non-Sisters models, you can choose the Order keyword for your faction keyword and get a little fluffy bonus. What's the big deal here? The problem is if they don't make a work around for Celestine you'll have to constantly choose between having the most powerful unit in the army or strategems. We end up gimping ourselves one way or the other no matter what and that's no bueno. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 It's not gimping us. It's giving us a choice. Do we take all [order] level units and get one set of bonus strategems (and we should have Ministorum and Sororitas as well) or do we forgo the order level and take Celestine, who's a powerhouse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 It's not gimping us. It's giving us a choice. Do we take all [order] level units and get one set of bonus strategems (and we should have Ministorum and Sororitas as well) or do we forgo the order level and take Celestine, who's a powerhouse. Or when the codex is out and we actually get these strategems maybe Celestine will have a rule "counts as any <ORDER>". I think it's a little silly to start getting upset about possible things we may not like at some point in the future! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) Eh. We already have their faction level key words. She lacks the order one. I doubt they'd invalidate the index by giving rules in the codex. Edited June 30, 2017 by Beams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335664-shield-of-faith-and-deny-the-witch/page/2/#findComment-4803649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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