8th Ed Ynnari

[CrystalSeer]

What are people's observations on the Ynnari triumvirate in 8th? Yvraine seems almost an auto take with her points drop, but both visarch and yncarne look more iffy. The visarch especially seems hamstrung by lack of invulnerable save.

[Dosjetka]

Just going to move across to the main Eldar area which is where Ynnari are supposed to be discussed (as they cover almost all factions). :tu:

[Iron Father Ferrum]

What are people's observations on the Ynnari triumvirate in 8th? Yvraine seems almost an auto take with her points drop, but both visarch and yncarne look more iffy. The visarch especially seems hamstrung by lack of invulnerable save.

 

 

On the Visarch, yeah, he lacks an Invulnerable save, but he also has the capacity to regain wounds.  Note that "Champion of Ynnead" activates every time a model is killed, not a unit, so if you keep him near, say, a Guardian squad (because they die easily), you can recharge his wound stat fairly easily.  Plus, he's not a terrible infantry mulcher either at S5 AP-3 and five attacks.

[Brother Aiwass]

I like them both, the Visarch and Yvraine, rulewise and indeed the models (as a base for conversions, which reminds me that I need to get both without having to sell an organ).

[ronin_cse]

Can we possibly expand this discussion to include decent combos and such? I have to admit that I am having troubles coming up with army lists considering how many choices there are! Yeah not the worst problem to have ;)

 

I haven't tried The Yncarne yet but the other two are quite good. IMO the Visarch is worth it just to help keep Yvrainne alive AND with his decent STR and AP stats thanks to his sword he is quite deadly against most things. Will require more testing though

[Brother Aiwass]

Well, for combos with them, look at the Dark Eldar codex.

 

Yvraine+Visarch+Archon+3 Sslith.

 

Visarch is the beatstick here, and he sinergizes well with the Sslith. You put the 3 Sslith and the Archon in the frontline, and the weird couple behind; the Sslith shield the Archon, and all of them are CHARACTERS* so every time one dies Visarch & Yvraine regain wounds, and the Visarch also gain attacks. All of them in the Tantalus with two cheap unit of wyches to die for soulburst party.

 

*Not scraming I swear, I'm just keywording xD

[Spiritual Liege]

Also Yvraine with Trueborn work pretty good. With Word of the Phoenix they can shoot twice which is scary. The only downsides are the cost of the unit and that they need to get out of the transport to be able to cast.

[Brother Aiwass]

And the Visarch have now a 4++ which makes him way better.

[Spiritual Liege]

And the Visarch have now a 4++ which makes him way better.

Wow, I can now field him without shooting myself in the leg.

[Captain Coolpants]

It makes him massively better actually! I bought the model because I liked him. But never actually used it. Now I might

[Dulahan]

Kind of a shame Ynnari can't be played without one of the Triumvarate Special Characters now, by the official rules at least.

 

Sort of puts a kibbosh on groups that frown upon or dislike using Special Characters getting to even play Ynnari.  Though imagine my friends that do that will probably be fine with saying you can use a Farseer or Archon or what have you and be fine.

[Captain Coolpants]

Yeah I didn't notice till recently. Having to include one of them is kind of annoying.

My current list has baharroth as the HQ.

So I now have to replace him with the visarch, which is 20pts more. But has 1 less wound/strength/toughness/armoursave

Has no aura abilities, moves less distance, can't swiftly redeploy and also can't make free mortal wounds by flying over enemies.

 

So that's bummed me out lol.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Captain Coolpants

[Brother Aiwass]

Kind of a shame Ynnari can't be played without one of the Triumvarate Special Characters now, by the official rules at least.

 

Sort of puts a kibbosh on groups that frown upon or dislike using Special Characters getting to even play Ynnari.  Though imagine my friends that do that will probably be fine with saying you can use a Farseer or Archon or what have you and be fine.

Where it says that?

[Captain Coolpants]

The faq

[Dulahan]

Hopefully we get an Ynnari Codex sooner rather than later to give us some options.  I mean... you're telling me after 100 years (even if they're Eldar) of getting various Farseers, Autarchs, Archons, Wych Cult Leaders, Harlequins, etc?  They STILL don't have any independent Warleaders out there?  I call Shenanigans!

 

I mean, you COULD use the Avatar of Ynnead if absolutely necessary, but in smaller games that's not practical either!  I'd hesitate to use it at anything below 1850!  Especially Casual games.

 

Give us a Death Seer or something like that, please!  Something Generic at least.

[ONDIG]

Yikes.I finally read theYnarri rules.SO WRONG! The ways I am going to abuse strength from death !

I mean it's already started fella posted some tournament list Yvraine ,Dark Reapers and Farseer bikes or some such .The idea being sacrifice fast attack to feed STD attacks meaning multiple St8 reaper cannon shots.Currently considering placing her and Maugan Ra in a Venom just to see what that's like MSU of Blood brides/Kabalites ...GOOD TIMES!

[Spiritual Liege]

You can't put Craftworld units into Venoms as they can only transport Dark Eldar.

[ONDIG]

You can't put Craftworld units into Venoms as they can only transport Dark Eldar.

Good catch! Ynneads will is only for the Ynnari HQ allowing THEM to ride in venom/wave serpent etc..

[Dulahan]

You know, I'm REALLY curious about what a Codex is gonna do for Ynnari.  Not to mention how the fluff for them advances in 100 years.  I know that's not a huge amount of time for Eldar, but even for them it should be enough time to have some sort of coherence.  Some level of support, armies, etc.  Maybe even some other unique stuff like transports.

 

And seriously, Ynnead's Will should definitely extend to all members of the army.  In many ways them not being able to share a transport is even more dumb than Primaris Marines not being able to crouch into a Land Raider or Rhino.  They're LITERALLY THE SAME RACE.    Their seatbelts would fit!

[Brother Aiwass]

Some generic HQ's would be nice, because it's lame that the special characters must be present in every battle. Agreed on the transports, btw.

[Spiritual Liege]

Some generic HQ's would be nice, because it's lame that the special characters must be present in every battle. Agreed on the transports, btw.

True, but I don't think it's that bad. The models are great and none of them are bad anymore.

 

I'm even doing a counts-as Yncarne, she will be a soul eating super-powered Farseer leading a Craftworld and may or may not be a puppet of the Changer of Ways (she obviously doesn't know or accept it.) Haven't decided yet what model to use but gonna use High Elf Phoenix's wings for her wings.

[ONDIG]

I have a feeling Ynnari could build a HORRIFIC horde army .Off the top of my head

Yvraine and the Visarch

2 Raiders carrying a unit of Wyches and a unit of blasterborne.These 5 man units one of each (boy-girl boy-girl)

X4 Wyches(5 gals Hydra gauntlet)

Maxed unit of Blood brides or Incubi to serve as Yvraine/Visarch Hatamoto!

This list is largely incomplete but consists of 2 HQ 3 Elite and 6 Troop making it a solid start to filling requirements for a Brigade(?)Detachment needing only 6 more units 3 Heavy(Dark Reapers!Scourges!) and 3 Fast atack.

The Wyches MSU are basically lambs to the slaughter fuelling Strength from Death to properly HQ/Escort to properly them up the table and allow them to get stuck in.Footslogging might not be the best idea but I feel that the resulting Carnage should be sufficient to get Yvraine to Target in sufficient health .The raiders run static tearing up armor w/ Blasters or D.Lances and Wyches tying up sniper or artillery units.

Any suggestions on filling Heavy / Fast slots?

[Dulahan]

The inability to put Ynnari units into transports not of their original faction gets even more stupid.  As there's a scene in the new Ynnari novel where a unit of Banshees is transported by a Dark Eldar Raider...