UlsanGamer Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I know there's a lot of doom and gloom out there currently with the R&H index and everyone is anticipating the Faq promised this coming weekend but I'd like to talk about mutants in a positive light. I was thinking big squads with shotguns would be quite useful as you can still shoot shotguns after advancing. With the devotion to slaanesh they can advance as far as possible to get into half range for strength 4. And then try to block the enemy from maneuvering across the board. On the other hand the devotion to tzeentch might be useful on a large squad sitting on objectives and allow them to be charged. I anticipate enforcerors gaining the character keyword so will have some behind holding the line. I think R&H can easily fill a brigade for the extra command points. Use these to re roll 1s on the mutations chart. Anyone else excited to try/tried lots of mutants? Or am I being overly positive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdja0 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I just played my first game of 8th edition with Renegades. Had 3 units of 10 mutants, psyker hq, and artillery line. Played against genestealer cult. Mutants between Genestealers and my line. Genestealers charged mutants. Mutants held. Then on my turn, they fell back and my artillery tore them a new one. Looks like mutants could be our new Zombies... Byrd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I'm thinking of using a big unit of mutants to screen my artillery. What are people using for them? I'm looking at GSC neophytes with spawn tentacles added. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I like the idea of Mutants.. As for modles I am a crazy conversion guy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Long ago, GW sold a limited mutant kit that was a catachan, zombie, ork, and chaos mutations sprues. My zombie are old and have waited a long time to be useful. Were tough to find too. #warhammeraddictproblems Wayyyyyy back in the day I ran two big squads of 30 each with a csm champion in each. Now I think the champ will be an enforcer. Hooray for muties! UlsanGamer and Vesper 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Mutants with shotguns are the one thing I'm excited about from our new book. I took two squads of 30 in a game. The look on my opponents face when I said I got 60 overwatch shots on his bezerkers was pretty priceless. I'll definitely be playing around with them. One main problem is that the range of the enforcer bubble is so small. Hopefully that gets addressed as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Bit of a side tangent, but trying to get my head around 8th still... Can I bring myself some mutants for 2PL in my chaos marine force to give me a cheap troop option? So my battalion could have an enforcer, 2 mutant squads, then a marine squad, 2 marine hq's and other stuff, but that fufils my minimum requirements? If so thats awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Bit of a side tangent, but trying to get my head around 8th still... Can I bring myself some mutants for 2PL in my chaos marine force to give me a cheap troop option? So my battalion could have an enforcer, 2 mutant squads, then a marine squad, 2 marine hq's and other stuff, but that fufils my minimum requirements? If so thats awesome! Yep, they all have the chaos keyword, so go ahead. spafe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4808662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Bit of a side tangent, but trying to get my head around 8th still... Can I bring myself some mutants for 2PL in my chaos marine force to give me a cheap troop option? So my battalion could have an enforcer, 2 mutant squads, then a marine squad, 2 marine hq's and other stuff, but that fufils my minimum requirements? If so thats awesome! Yep, they all have the chaos keyword, so go ahead. Are you sure on this? Does the lack of the respective keywords Renegades and Legion not prohibit them from sharing the same detachment though? For example i dont think a CSM detachment can take Poxwalkers as CSM dont have the Death Guard key. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4810387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 If you take a "Heretic Astartes" faction you wouldn't be able to bring pox walkers; but if you bring a "chaos" faction you could bring both CSM and pox walkers, since both units have the "chaos" keyword. So, if you choose "chaos" as your faction you can bring anything with the "chaos" keyword, including mutants, daemons, CSMs, plague marines, etc. If you choose "death guard" as your faction you can bring CSMs, Plague marines as troops, pox walkers, but not mutants. Right now there is little reason not to take "chaos" as your faction as you get access to everything. You can get plague marines as troops if you take "death guard" as your faction, but you lose out on a lot of stuff. With "chaos" as your faction you can bring basically everything from the chaos index, the forgeworld forces of chaos book, and the death guard booklet that comes with the starter set. Kinstryfe, Khornestar and sanityimpaired 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4810500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I say this as someone who didn't play much the last couple editions (or this one so far), but the biggest AH-HA moment I had was realizing that the Chaos keyword makes everything play nice and friendly. I love the idea of being able to summon bloodletters to support my khorne troops (we still have one technical character...), or field defilers or whatnot in place of mortal tanks. I'm really hoping they keep expanding like they have "Imperium" to give us our own dark empire to choose from. :evil laughter: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4811010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Yeah, thematically, we can have very cool armies combining renegades and CSM/daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4811169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonReign Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 you can even bring in imperium units if you include fallen - as they have both imperium and chaos keywords Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4811467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 When they start bringing out the codecs it will be harder as you will need that demi library again we you use the Chaos key word but I will cross that bridge when it comes to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4811578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) you can even bring in imperium units if you include fallen - as they have both imperium and chaos keywords Pretty sure everything in your army (regardless of which detachment it is in) needs to share one keyword minimum. So Imperial units are out unless (like Fallen) they also possess the Chaos keyword. Mutants are very fun though. I have started converting some of my own unwashed, deformed masses! http://i.imgur.com/k8Ezq2P.jpg?1 Edited July 10, 2017 by Azekai Khornestar, Akrim, El_Dicko and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4814197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Nice! I just built 30 yesterday. Lol at the inhereant danger of running in a mob of 30 freaks blasting sawed off shotguns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4814630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Any good source of shotguns? Any GW kits have them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4814737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Any good source of shotguns? Any GW kits have them? If you know anyone thats done a GSC army the Neophytes have shotguns. I also modified some from other weapons like Kroot rifles,SM Scouts, Ive seen lots of conversion tutorials around the web. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4814749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Cool, I was planning on using neophyte squads as my mutant base model anyway, not actually opened a box yet though so didn't realise they have shotguns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4814989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Cool, I was planning on using neophyte squads as my mutant base model anyway, not actually opened a box yet though so didn't realise they have shotguns. An excellent choice. Many of the shotgun arms display mutated hands too. Depending on how versatile your bitz box is the torsos mesh well with other kits - I used legs from Kroot, Grave Guard, Flagellants, easy to swap in various heads too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4815328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
40kChrista Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Any good source of shotguns? Any GW kits have them? https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/weapons/products/5-shotguns https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/weapons/products/shotguns-mk2-x5 https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=48 http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Double-Barrel-Shotguns ... and mt personal favorites, but I have no idea how big they actually are... http://www.spellcrow.com/orcs-shotguns-ver-p-171.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4815695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Cool, I was planning on using neophyte squads as my mutant base model anyway, not actually opened a box yet though so didn't realise they have shotguns. I have converted some of my own from lasguns. I clip of the Lasgun barrel, and then use a small tube of plastic to place barrels on the square end. Edited July 11, 2017 by Warsmith Uveron Akrim 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4815737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Cool, I was planning on using neophyte squads as my mutant base model anyway, not actually opened a box yet though so didn't realise they have shotguns. I have converted some of my own from lasguns. I clip of the Lasgun barrel, and then use a small tube of plastic to place to barrels on the square end. Boom, no pun intended Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4815959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Given the old mutant kit, I have a bunch of muties with ork shootas. I figure those will become "shotguns". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4816246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Cool, I was planning on using neophyte squads as my mutant base model anyway, not actually opened a box yet though so didn't realise they have shotguns. I have converted some of my own from lasguns. I clip of the Lasgun barrel, and then use a small tube of plastic to place to barrels on the square end. Boom, no pun intended There was clearly a pun intended! :P Akrim 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336145-positive-thinking-lets-start-with-mutants/#findComment-4817597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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