LutherMax Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) I bought the Forge World Imperial Armour: Forces of the Adeptus Astartes book eager to have the rules for my Sicaran and Deredeo but I'm a bit confused - there's no mention of Blood Angels anywhere (nor Dark Angels or Space Wolves for that matter), only Space Marines, Grey Knights, Inquisition and Sisters. So currently can we even take these things, and if we can, can they have the Blood Angels keyword? Edited July 7, 2017 by LutherMax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 If they have the <chapter> keyword then it can be replaced with <Blood Angels> from my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 They do have that... it would be pretty weird if they were deliberately excluding everything except Vanilla. I'll assume they can be BA until I hear otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Forgeworld have confirmed by email that <chapter> can be any space marine chapter bar deathwatch or grey knights. It'll supposedly be fixed properly for BA etc in a future printing. So you can take the deredeo and sicaran no problem. LutherMax and SM1981 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 Phew, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonGuard Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I thought you can not use Forge World stuff in tournaments, or has this changed in recent years? Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Tournaments are well, up to the TO. Part of the reason they've often been banned there is that the forgeworld rulebooks have been a bit... scattered with regards keeping up to date with the main rules - lots of stuff written for 6th not being updated for 7th etc. It's like many tweaked or banned d-weapons, invisibility etc to try and ensure a level playing field. 8th is a whole new ballgame across both companies, but yeah, I wouldn't count on FW stuff being legal in any given tournament. That said, the ITC format does allow forgeworld in your battle forged army. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bUs0HrJ3f6YzR6mWlT1LRLq0i9_0ekf7ah9WhCTxsIo/edit Aothaine 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 From what I've seen of the rules for FW units so far, they've been toned down a bit for 8th. There are fewer special rules (abilities now) per unit and points costs have gone up. I don't think FW will be considered as OP in 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I thought you can not use Forge World stuff in tournaments, or has this changed in recent years? It has. Towards the end of 6th, tournaments started opening up FW a little. Then, by the time 7th rolled around, FW was really well balanced in terms of cost-to-effectiveness. The stuff was still very good, but not broken OP. Added to this saw the introduction of Super-heavies and "Lords of War" into the main/core rules. This resulted in a lot of big tournaments hugely relaxing the FW restrictions. The anti-FW tourney sentiment is currently (and thankfully now) as much of a relic as the Sicaran or Scorpios :P Silverson 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 From the FAQ:Q. Are there any restrictions on which Chapter I can choose when replacing the Faction keyword on datasheets within this book? A. Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be from the Legion of the Damned, Grey Knights or Deathwatch Chapters. They can be from any other Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Fantastic https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Compared to 7e, they get quite a lot more: In 7e (besides ordinary Marines, which got everything): Dark Angels got Chaplain Dreadnoughts, Mortis Dreadnoughts, Contemptor, and Contemptor Mortis Space Wolves, and Dark Angels (but not Blood Angels), got Fire Raptors and Storm Eagles, Siege Dreadnoughts, and Relic Predator Deimos. So that's quite a good bit of new stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 Excellent! And the Quad Mortar is BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Cool. Quad launcher rapiers are back, and cyclone on mortis dreads. Fire raptor owners will be pleased the autocannon waist guns are back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonGuard Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 But how do I know which tanks I'm allowed to use in a 40k BA list? I suppose a lot of models are 30k only right? ( I'm really not familiar with FW stuff. I like the look of the Sicaran Battle Tank though and would love to be able to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 First you check the relevant Index (Index: Adeptus Astartes) and chose any which have the [CHAPTER] keyword. Sorted :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) If you don't have the index to refer to, pretty much all the FW space marine tanks, aircraft, dreads and artillery from the forgeworld 40k section are available. BA don't get ironclad or ven dreads (they're in the GW index anyway) There's a handful of 30k ones that aren't; the claw drop pods are chaos only IIRC, jetbikes, and chimea-based ones like the medusa and basilisk. Edited July 9, 2017 by Arkhanist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I think one of the preview pages on the digital version actually shows the unit listing, so you can see the name of every unit included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Im glad about the quad launchers and the fire raptor. I didnt want to convert mine to a bolter version. The faq came one day to late otherwise the fireraptor would have made it into my turney list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Mortis Dreads can take the Cyclone missile launchers again!!! Now that bit i've been saving isn't useless :P LutherMax 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I'd love a sicaran (any style) since I have a box o' horus heresy marines yet to build. But money has been tight and I just spent the last of my bucks one something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maakeff Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Off the back of this, I've picked up a Storm Eagle (which BA should always have had access to, IMNSHO) as the biggest non-Relic transporter. Current plan is to transport 15 DC on foot plus buff characters... and later, play around with Terminators and jump pack troops, maybe mixing and matching, seeing what combinations are effective or fun or both. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For reals the Fire Raptor is ungodly insane this edition now. SO. MUCH. DAKKA. Got the Autocannons back via FAQ too - though choice between them and the HBs me thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Anyone taken a gook look at the leviathan dreadnought? Just building all the extra weapon options I forgot I had. Anyone know a good load out etc...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Grav-flux bombard is supposedly the TAC choice for this edition as it can do just about anything decently, whilst the dual storm cannon approach has got a lot of folk excited. Personally, I'd opt for one range weapon and one assault but it depends on how you want to deploy it. Silverson 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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