Thunderhawk vs Mastodon

[Jackalwolf]

So I just learnt thanks to you guys that flyers start on the table turn one which is massive. With that in mind, what do you think would be cooler and work better for the wolves, a Thunderhawk or a Mastodon?

 

Also and since I haven't played since 2015, is it okay to bring big LoWs to standard games? Any of the two would be frowned upon? Both?

 

I don't even know what costs more points anymore with the new system!

[Brother Hellion]

If you can get Battlescribe for your phone. they come with the latest updates including the imperial Armour 8th edition. That should help with looking up point costs.

 

Second thing is that you could try with the stormwolf or stormfang first because those things are really putting the smack down this edition and are probably cheaper then your thunderhawk or mastadon. Hell, they might be cheap enough(Though I doubt it) to bring a pair of stormwolf/stormfangs for the price of one thunderhawk. Though if your insisting on bringing one of those giants then go with the thunderhawk.

 

Last game I played there was a LoW involved and it was basically the only reason the opposing player won the game. However it really depends on both players being okay with the idea of bringing LoWs into their games. Just don't be one of those players who brings two giants into battle as they would get swarmed.

[Deadnaughty]

For friendly/pickup games I would not bring LoW unless you know your opponent is OK with it. 

While they may be inherently balanced they do tend to be tough/powerful enough that they will dominate any game they are in.

 

I would concer with Brotherblur and use the index fliers unless you really want to huge super heavies.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

If you can get Battlescribe for your phone. they come with the latest updates including the imperial Armour 8th edition.

My battlescibe does not yet have those point costs in it. Does yours?

 

2 stormwolves 2ith heavy voters is cheaper than a thunderhawk however and their dakka output is not too much less. Probably just fine outside of apocalypse style games.

[Brother Hellion]

I've seen it on other phones where they included the lastest info for things such as Tyrinads and Chaos. 

 

Although you may need to be careful because there have been slip ups such as Cypher's strength out put on his pistols being 48.

[Jackalwolf]

So apparently the fully loaded Mastodon is 818 points, which is around 50 points more than a fully loaded Thunderhawk with turbo laser destructor.

 

1. That doesn't make much sense, a unit that costed circa 750 points last edition now costs less than a unit that costed 625
2. Yep I know there are much better gaming options for 800pts but I just like the kits so I'm gonna build one or the other soon and since I'm such a slow painter, I will only be able to do 2,000 points game using them for at least half a year, so I'm pretty much locked in.

 

Why do you guys think the Mastodon now costs more? The weapons are clearly better in the THawk and it's a flyer. Wounds are the same too albeit the Mastodon does have void shields and a 2+ save vs a 3+ save.

 

Can they be brought to tournaments? If not, why? I can see so many other much more brutal things that could be done with 800 points.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

It on a tourney by tourney basis. Check with the TO. Many regulate it to keep games a bit more balanced but many have opened up to it.

 

The mastodon is actually 860 after you buy all the required wargear. Which beats the thunder hawk by just under 100

[Brother Hellion]

We have a t-hawk at my store but its realy used due to A) its vast size B) abundantly high point cost.

[TheWolfLord]

So apparently the fully loaded Mastodon is 818 points, which is around 50 points more than a fully loaded Thunderhawk with turbo laser destructor.

 

 

• That doesn't make much sense, a unit that costed circa 750 points last edition now costs less than a unit that costed 625
• Yep I know there are much better gaming options for 800pts but I just like the kits so I'm gonna build one or the other soon and since I'm such a slow painter, I will only be able to do 2,000 points game using them for at least half a year, so I'm pretty much locked in.

 

Why do you guys think the Mastodon now costs more? The weapons are clearly better in the THawk and it's a flyer. Wounds are the same too albeit the Mastodon does have void shields and a 2+ save vs a 3+ save.

 

Can they be brought to tournaments? If not, why? I can see so many other much more brutal things that could be done with 800 points.

A Mastodon is 860 points and a Thunderhawk is 768 stock or 828 with Hellstrike Missiles.

 

The Thunderhawk has gone from only being hit on 6's to being hit on 4's so it's understandable that it hasn't had a huge point hike. It's weaponry isn't actually that good either for its points.

 

A Mastodon has the same Toughness and Wounds but has a better armour save and it has Void shields for an invuln (even against mortal wounds).

 

The Mastodons main gun is very short range but better than the Thunderhawks, both have 2 Las Cannons. The Thunderhawk has 4 Twin Heavy Bolters so 24 S5 shots. The Mastodon has 2 Heavy Flamers and its Skyreaper Battery (Heavy 8, S7, -1ap and 5 damage). 5 damage on an anti air gun is crazy.

 

While both can Fall Back and shoot, the Mastodon can charge after falling back and can even shoot if it's in combat which is a huge difference.