Sception Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_Chaos_ver_1.0.pdf Most notable items from my first look through: The contemptor and Leviathan now have the option for dual dakka World Eaters & Emperor's Children can take anything with the appropriate mark Thousand Sons and Death Guard can take anything with the appropriate mark except rapiers and hellwrights. If I were a WE or EC children player, I would shy away from rapiers & wrights as well, since it's likely you'll lose access when your legion is eventually redone with its own cult-only codex. Chaos can take vindicator laser destroyers, but you'll have to buy the loyalist marine FW index for the dataslate. Hopefully they'll just release it online eventually... They did not fix the transport entries to mention Cult of Destruction models separately yet. At the moment a strict reading has them treated as normal infantry for Dreadclaws and the like, though that's obviously not intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Don't forget that Slaanesh Dreadnought are back :P DraneceusRex 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Feral Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Necrosius still has the wrong faction keyword *facepalm*. Also, <LEGION> units declared as The Tainted cannot also be Death Guard, even though the former is a warband of the latter... same issue for Mamon Transfigured... Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marqol Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 The Leviathan claw now re-rolls wounds against infantry. A nice addition to actually make it worth taking rather than just taking the drill. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Shumway Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Dual butcher cannon array Levis are going to be downright brutal. 16 str8, -1ap, 2damage guns hitting on 2+? Give me some of that please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Necrosius still has the wrong faction keyword *facepalm*. Also, <LEGION> units declared as The Tainted cannot also be Death Guard, even though the former is a warband of the latter... same issue for Mamon Transfigured... Look again for Mamon. His keywords have changed, he's now "The Tainted" and "Death Guard." sanityimpaired 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Wow! Faith rewarded... Sonic Dreadnoughts return with Twin Blastmasters and a Doom Siren. Things shall get loud now! DraneceusRex and Ammonius 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPTIMVSCHRISTVS Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Vindicator laser destroyers are now available, and I just so happen to have 3 vindis on the sprue ripe for conversion :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Wow! Faith rewarded... Sonic Dreadnoughts return with Twin Blastmasters and a Doom Siren. Things shall get loud now! I'm not an Emperor's Children player and never will be, but even I'm happy they brought back Sonic Dreadnoughts. They were always visually striking and very thematic! Vesper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtoof Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 As someone on the receiving end, I'm happy to see the points increase of the Soul Burner petard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Necrosius still has the wrong faction keyword *facepalm*. Also, <LEGION> units declared as The Tainted cannot also be Death Guard, even though the former is a warband of the latter... same issue for Mamon Transfigured... Look again for Mamon. His keywords have changed, he's now "The Tainted" and "Death Guard." Yeah Zufhor is World Eater like he should be. Happy to see FW Legion work as it should. Do these Faq also apply to GW content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Nice. And they actually released it when they said they would, too! I'll be buying some goodies over the coming week for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Feral Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Necrosius still has the wrong faction keyword *facepalm*. Also, <LEGION> units declared as The Tainted cannot also be Death Guard, even though the former is a warband of the latter... same issue for Mamon Transfigured... Look again for Mamon. His keywords have changed, he's now "The Tainted" and "Death Guard."I'm aware, but that's not the issue. I'm glad they fixed Mamon anyway. The Tainted are a sub-faction of Death Guard, that's what the Vraks books said. If FW are going to include warband keywords as well as the originating Legion ones, they why can't the warband also benefit from the keyword of their original Legion? Aside from Mamon and (incorrectly) Necrosius, nothing else can be both <THE TAINTED> and <DEATH GUARD>. See what I mean now? *edit* Regarding Mamon, the issue I was referring to was having a buff that isn't very useful - sure you could run a standard Nurgle-based force and declare your <LEGION> as the Tainted - but you lose out on all the Death Guard perks and exclusive units. It doesn't make sense! Edited July 9, 2017 by Mister Feral Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I do enjoy the clarification for the cult legions and it does make sense even if I don't like the restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I'm a happy Nurgling :D I can once again use my laser destroyer vindicators and what's even better is that Death Guard can take them even though they can't take normal ones:D Just sad I will need the space marine index book just to run the laser destroyer :( unless I can find someone with the actual book who wont mind taking a photo Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 There has been a change to the machina malifica special rule. Before, units with that rule couldn't heal by other means on the same turn that they used the rule, now units with that rule cannot heal by other means at all, which dramatically reduces their synergy with hellwrights in a rather frustrating and unfun way, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1223 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 They need to fix the Keywords for the character's abilities too. Zhufor may have World Eater's now, but his auras still specify SKULLTAKERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 They need to fix the Keywords for the character's abilities too. Zhufor may have World Eater's now, but his auras still specify SKULLTAKERS. Could be intended for future unit Keywords though likely will not happen. Happy FW at least got the Legion design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_elf Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Soulburner went from to 60pts! :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I'm not shocked, mortal wounds are really good, but yeah, that's a pretty painful jump, especially for anyone who as going to mount two of them on something. Still, since they raised the price that much, it's kind of surprising the ribaudkin's price didn't also go up. Edited July 10, 2017 by malisteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Until a dedicated thorough chaos book is released there is going to be a ton of house ruling. I wrote in about the sonic dreads and the Vindis I'm glad they answered with an FAQ. S Sonic dreads are now worse in melee and shooting, but have gained a lot of mobility. Being able to move and still shoot twice is great, losing rending and gets hot is meh, but losing the chainfist is kind of tricky, but I guess we have hammers and scourges now, going to miss double shots of the doomsiren in overwatch though. My vindis are worse than they used to be, but still viable. We house ruled them the other day using the Helforged predator profile with points and weapons from the marine index entry. Swapping the appropriate special rules. I'm a little bummed they don't get meaner in cc as they lose wounds, and I'm not sure how the relic and keyword interaction will play out. Still going to need house rules to take I'm thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 Having a hard time choosing dual gun loadouts for a hypothetical leviathan. They all look pretty appealing. Wish the grav flux had longer range, but a pair of them should take out half a unit of 50 conscripts in a single salvo... Paradigm 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Necrosius still has the wrong faction keyword *facepalm*. Also, <LEGION> units declared as The Tainted cannot also be Death Guard, even though the former is a warband of the latter... same issue for Mamon Transfigured... Look again for Mamon. His keywords have changed, he's now "The Tainted" and "Death Guard."I'm aware, but that's not the issue. I'm glad they fixed Mamon anyway. The Tainted are a sub-faction of Death Guard, that's what the Vraks books said. If FW are going to include warband keywords as well as the originating Legion ones, they why can't the warband also benefit from the keyword of their original Legion? Aside from Mamon and (incorrectly) Necrosius, nothing else can be both <THE TAINTED> and <DEATH GUARD>. See what I mean now? *edit* Regarding Mamon, the issue I was referring to was having a buff that isn't very useful - sure you could run a standard Nurgle-based force and declare your <LEGION> as the Tainted - but you lose out on all the Death Guard perks and exclusive units. It doesn't make sense! I imagine this may be for future use, say another campaign including The Tainted or Skulltakers (in the case of Zhufor). They may even redo the Vraks series for 8th or something more aligned with the current storyline, thus re-using both Warbands. Mister Feral 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Or FW knows something we don't and the Death Guard codex could easily include something like "these warbands can be taken as <Legion> keywords and still benefit from the Death Guard keyword's rules." I mean shoot, they already said that Heldrakes, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Mutilators, Obliterators, and Possessed can benefit from daemon auras and buffs just because they have the Daemon keyword as a unit descriptor. Azekai and Paradigm 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I almost feel like leviathan dreads with dual shooting weapons are overkill, but I'm really tempted to order another gravflux bombard and a couple "butcher cannon arrays." It felt like serendipity when they gave us the Leviathan. I've had one I got for free as a deal sweetener on a trade that I made a year ago. I had very little use for him until now. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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