Loyalist Death Guard Chapter in 41st Mellenium?

[hazard5259]

So I had this wild idea thanks to the creation of the Primarus space marines.

 

What would a Loyalist Death Guard Chapter Look like?

 

Lets take out the fact that Death Guard fell to chaos.

Or better yet lets remember those who didn't fall to chaos.

Lets say we are in an AU where death guard didn't fall to chaos, and instead I don't know iron hands did.

Lets say a ship escaped and to hide from the threat of being purged, or decommissioned, or to make up for the fall of their comrades betrayal they broke their people up and started a or several chapters of Death guard Successor Chapters and hid the truth of their founding

 

Instead of plaything with the idea of why, Lets play with the idea of how.

 

How would this Chapter look?

 

I have 2 ideas for this.

 

A full Primarus Marines Chapter

 

OR

 

A chapter that had a mix of both

I would say they use little if any bikes at all.

They are known for more Devastator and Hell Blaster Squads

Also large amount of Cattipharcti Terminators

Large Numbers of Mark 3 and 4 Amour

Small amount of Librarians if any at all.  

Lots of Relic Tanks

 

What do you guys think?

Ideas, Comments, Concerns?

 

[Panzer]

They would most likely be a codex compliant chapter and thus use anything they can get their hands on. Just avoiding the kind of combat where fast units are key.

The thought of "what if Deathguard would still be loyal" is much less interesting than you might think. ;)

[Bulwyf]

I have fan fiction of a strike cruiser from M30 lost in the warp before the HH started that is finally released from the Warp in modern 40k. The Death Guard are loyal sons that to them only seven years passed in the warp. They emerge to discover what happened and now they want to kill the traitors in the worst way.

I have the same problems the OP has: how would this play in today's 8th? I was able to play this in 7th as a regular HH army. But in 8th I don't have rules for Deathshroud, my favorite unit in all of 30k/40k. So I have the same issue OP.

[Trevak Dal]

So like you aren't going for loyalist plague Marines? Because if you were I'd say more fat slobs with baby poop colored armor and spikes and guts and flies and stuff with Aquilas instead of Nurgle and Deathguard flags.

 

If they were using Deathguard geneseed then they would be a codex compliant chapter and probably not know better. Or if they Blood Ravens'd, Marines Malevolent'd, Minotaur'd, or Space Shark'd their way to being loyalists from the Heresy, they would be Dark Angels like in their avoidance of any connection with their former selves and be codex compliant.

 

So like Deathguard from 30k without their special rules, characters or the crazy forgeworld cheese tanks and titans they can bring.

 

Ain't nothing stopping you from making <Chapter: Deathguard> but you won't have any of the chaos stuff, they will be just another vanilla marine army/army using the rules you use them for.

 

Edit:

 

Bulwyf, they would be coming from a time of relative reason to a time where everybody in the Imperium is worshiping a Dead Emperor as a god, something he never wanted, and are connected directly to a traitor legion.

 

Garro and company were locked up and repeatedly questioned. In that age of relative reason as :cuss was getting out of hand.

 

In the present time of 40k? They best repaint their armor as an Ultramarine or other Chapter successor and start leafing through the Codex Astartes so they don't stand out too much.

 

The modern Imperium is a "Shoot first ask questions maybe through extreme torture if ever" kind of place when it comes to chaos. And if there is any doubt (such as random legionaries appearing from the warp who are from a legion that was/is traitorous), then there is no doubt.

 

That's why the Dark Angels are so very consumed with covering :cuss up.

Edited July 13, 2017 by Trevak Dal

[DuskRaider]

Warp time shenanigans is such an over used trope it's not funny. Check out Sons of Antaeus if you want a probable Death Guard geneseed Loyalist Chapter. Also remember, Cawl is using the geneseed from all 20 Legions to make new Chapters of Primaris, so... obviously they wouldn't be called Death Guard, use their tactics or anything... but they'd probably display their traits (taller than other Marines, gaunt, exceptionally durable). 

[Brother Aiwass]

Back in the Heresy were a blackshield loyalist DG company, not much of them, led Mortug. They'll be dead now. But if they'd survived, either got imperialized and thus being codex compliant, or they stayed loyal but rogue, thus no primarines for them.

 

The option of a Primaris chapter with DG geneseed is cool, and let's you free for using the old DG livery -or better yet, the Dusk Raiders one- however, being new means no relic stuff.

 

If you want both, maybe the Sons of Antaeus chapter -or similar- is your best bet. Anyway, they're your dudes so do what you want :)

[Frater Cornelius]

Wasn't there a bit about Cawl wanting to use traitor gene seed for Primaris? Even though Guilliman forbade, even he knew that that wouldn't stop Cawl. That would be your ticket in to a Primaris army from possibly very very early recruits from Barbarus who still remember Mortarions early drive for justice and against tyranny. They would be equally pissed at Morty and the Imperium.

[DuskRaider]

Mind you, any Loyalist Chapter with Traitor geneseed origins would not know it. The Imperium would not disclose that to them and their origins would either be kept secret, purposefully expunged from all records, or entered falsely as a Loyalist geneseed successor. In the end, it's your models and army so do as you wish, but I don't see a Loyalist Chapter displaying Traitor heraldry of any sort or knowing it was their origin.

[bluntblade]

Back in the Heresy were a blackshield loyalist DG company, not much of them, led Mortug. They'll be dead now. But if they'd survived, either got imperialized and thus being codex compliant, or they stayed loyal but rogue, thus no primarines for them.

 

The option of a Primaris chapter with DG geneseed is cool, and let's you free for using the old DG livery -or better yet, the Dusk Raiders one- however, being new means no relic stuff.

 

If you want both, maybe the Sons of Antaeus chapter -or similar- is your best bet. Anyway, they're your dudes so do what you want :)

Retribution, for what it's worth, implies that "Captain Morturg" was carrying out compliance actions at the edge of the old Nostraman Empire.

[Kol Saresk]

Mind you, any Loyalist Chapter with Traitor geneseed origins would not know it. The Imperium would not disclose that to them and their origins would either be kept secret, purposefully expunged from all records, or entered falsely as a Loyalist geneseed successor. In the end, it's your models and army so do as you wish, but I don't see a Loyalist Chapter displaying Traitor heraldry of any sort or knowing it was their origin.

Well, maybe not the Chaos version, but there are Chapters who get pretty close to the skull-in-star symbol the Death Guard used to have.

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Novamarines

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Sons

 

And since the entirety of the Imperium is suffering from information censorship, it's possible there are entire sectors that don't even remember the Death Guard used to have different colored, cleaner armor.