olcottr Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 With Deep Strike being so powerful this edition, can Imperial Guard be viable without them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Of course, while Stormies have got a very overdue buff in 8th they're by no means essential. Numbers are strong in 8th so even if you take Infantry Squads in their place you're looking at a capable core to build around. The Guardsmen will hold the line, fall back from assault and do some killing of their own - all the while the rest of your army takes chunks out of your opponent Plus if you have your Troops Deep Striking in how will you protect your own army from enemy DS? Call in the humble Guardsman once more The improvements to C:MT units are good yes, but not so much so over the rest of the Guard list to make them mandatory olcottr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Actually, by a look at lists I would say Conscripts and Commisars are obligatory for most lists that don't use Scions. Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 With Deep Strike being so powerful this edition, can Imperial Guard be viable without them? Pretty much everything is more or less viable currently (except for the Deathstrike), so there are no must-takes. Neither Scions, nor Conscripts nor Commissars are must-take. Remember that your Scions can't rapid fire their hot-shot lasguns when they deepstrike. Praesul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olcottr Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Good to hear. I didn't really want to have to run out and get new models just yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altasmurf Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 As people get more used to 8th, deep striking stormies will become weaker. Already my opponents are figuring out how to mitigate deep strike so you can't strike where you want. Theyre still a useful tool in the tool box, but not a necessity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 As people get more used to 8th, deep striking stormies will become weaker. Already my opponents are figuring out how to mitigate deep strike so you can't strike where you want. Theyre still a useful tool in the tool box, but not a necessity. I think that's the great thing about the IG, there are so many "tools in the box" (I love that phrasing by the way, Kudos!), I never feel like I'm stuck playing one style of Guard! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 The thing I love about 8th and Guard right now is there is no right or wrong and most builds are viable. Personally I really like how the standard Infantry Squad works in this ed. My troops will likely consist mostly of them. With at least 1-2 scions squads of various sizes. If you want pure scions I see that as an option too. I dont see Deep Strike as a game winning tool and you need to build a list for a full 7 rounds. I believe that generally a well rounded list will be your best option in this edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4819774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Agreed on all points, but I'd better add more to make this a worthwhile post! Scions are great, no doubt about it. I've been taking 2 squads that nicely round out the troops in a Brigade Detachment and they've done their job well. I tend to have them, a Command Squad and Prime in deep strike reserve and they'll appear somewhere on the board to cause havoc and normally go on to claim and objective. I also take a couple of small rough Rider Squads that are normally used to save the Scions from close combat the next turn! However they've never been the starts of my army yet. Pask and a wingman have caused utter havoc. My support characters, especially Yarrick but also Officers and Priests have really made the rest of the army shine. The humble Infantry have been superb. None of these has shone in every game of course but the Scions have only been ok in every game. Useful, like a tin opener. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4821837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I also take a couple squads and Tempestor to deep strike, but they aren't the backbone of my army by any means. And as others have said, people are getting wise to deep strike shenanigans but they can't elimine it completely. Usually wherever they land they're a threat that can't be easily ignored. Which takes pressure off my main force....which is the idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4823870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Scions punish non horde armies. If somebody is silly enough to bring mostly tanks to fight my scions, he lost when he walked in the door. If they bring a ton of guardsmen or boys or gaunts, they can mitigate my ability to hurt powerful units with expensive stormtroopers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4824240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylian_StHugh Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 By no means mandatory but they work really well now. Deep Strike or load them into Taurox Prime dakkabuses. Elysians or units following a Hades Drill fill similar role if wanted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4830006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakkamasta Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I wouldn't say they are a necessity because at the moment we have so many powerful options to play as Astra Militarum. If you never wanted to run scions then you can still make amazing lists without them. If you're like me however and was waiting for them to get the buff they needed then there is little reason not to run them as they are very good. Even with that said however, as much as I love scions I still won't run the spam lists that some people are running. 1-2 squads with a prime and maybe a command squad is all I really want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4830128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Can Tempestus use regular Taurox? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4832330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I think so Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4832507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Yep. They can ride in any transport. However primes can only move Scions and commissars. Not sure why you would want the regular Taurox though, primes are awesome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4832637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) I'm that weird ;) I like fluff thematic lists (according to my head fluff ;) ) Edited July 25, 2017 by Sete Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336653-are-militarum-tempestus-a-necessity/#findComment-4832685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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