Dosjetka Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I hate to be the potential bearer of bad news but... the Imperial Fists Chapter focus article will have a picture with Black Templars in it. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336822-chapter-focus-imperial-fists/ (Last pic) I'm assuming that means they won't be getting their own Chapter Tactics. EDIT: My mistake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We do have. We can re reroll charges. Edit: ah you saw it. My honest opinion? Not great. So far, from the ones I have seen, I think ours is the weakest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Why are they still on 25mm bases? >_> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It makes us very good at Mass Striking and will save us a couple Command points here and there. It's not bad. Honestly makes us pretty reliable at getting our charges off Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Forgot about the stratagem. But even so. Re reroll charges is weak. You will still be overwatched, enemy can still fall back. Weak sauce bro. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Rerolling charges is a massive boost when you consider it applied to everything except our tanks. Deep striking, getting out of a transport, desperate long charge. We get a full re roll when that fails rather than having to use a command point only once. Combine that with our currently unknown stratagem, relic, and warlord trait and it should be pretty good. Imperial fist does seem the weakest by far but again everything else could make up for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Having seen UM, Sallies RG, WAS, and IF CT, ours is undoubtedly the weakest one. Let's see the what the stratagem brings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I guess it makes Templars just that little bit reliable at Deep Strike Assaults... I wouldn't build my tactic around that though and yes its very lackluster in comparison to White Scars Born in the Saddle and the Lightning Assault which lets them Assault after Falling Back, similar to Ultramarines, Fall Back and Shoot... Short end of the stick again... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyD4rkPassenger Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a tad odd how disparate these tactics are in "power" compared to each other. Ours are so weaker in comparison to the RG and UM for instance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 IH gets the old Feel no Pain on a 6+. So yeah, I agree with Roujakis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Having seen UM, Sallies RG, WAS, and IF CT, ours is undoubtedly the weakest one.Imperial fist is actually probably the worst one. But both points are irrelevant until we have the full picture as the relic, stratagem, and warlord trait can be quite useful. There was honestly no way we would get anti psyker as a chapter tactic, thinking otherwise was simply foolish since it would be far to powerful to have that as a basic rule with no cost. Rerolling charges not only lets us use various units in ways that others will struggle with it helps us get into combat without having to burn a command point every turn. Just yesterday my champion came up short on a charge and forced me to use a command point just to get him in, with this I could've saved that command point to use for an actual stratagem, something we are about to gain a lot of. Also keep in mind the various deep strike units, now we have the option of either using a command point to try and get a better result on one die, or re roll the whole thing if both were low. While I don't know the math behind having two options when it comes to re rolling rather than just one gives us a lot of potential to make charges others simply can't. Just to be clear I don't mean re roll a re roll but being able to choose between using our tactic for a full re roll or choosing to use a command point to re roll the low die if the other is a 5 or 6. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Wow that is really on the low side with something like that I would also expect a second element. Heck that could have been a 10 point upgrade for crusader seals like CSM Khorne icon that lets them re-roll charges. Well better than nothing but not all that great considering we don't have all that strong CC units. Do we have news on the BT warlord trait yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Actually, it says under rerolls Re-rolls Some rules allow you to re-roll a dice roll, which means you get to roll some or all of the dice again. You can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifiers (if any) are applied. Just to be that guy, you think we can raw argue that we are allowed to reroll a single dice? With our tactics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Keep in mind, you actually have a Warlord trait. I'm struggling to see how the Iron Hands can have one without any named characters. So whilst they have a nifty CT they make be weaker in other areas. Same goes for other chapters, tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 IF ingores cover bonus. That's huge. How can that be bad? No matter how you want to look at it, it's bad, and it pigdeon holes us into a single play style. And it's only usefull if you want to do those risky charges. I would not build a deepstriking army around our CT. Well, I will certainly pass on the codex. For me, personally speaking it's not worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 This is the biggest insult to BT since rolling them in the space marine codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Wow, so much dissapointment on these lairs, why? Did you expect something along the lines of: +1 to hit rolls, +1 to wound rolls, 3 extra attacks and 3+ FNP or what? We WANT to charge and stay in combat for as long as possible, and they gave us the best thing they could give: reroll the charge if failed. Because to actually fight in combat, you have to catch the enemy. I love our CT. Specially because I love to send terminators deep striking, or guys in a drop pod. Repeat: I love it PD: we still don't know our chapter stratagem and warlord trait, among other things, but this can only get better, for me at least. Today is a good day brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Rerolling charges is good even if it isn't amazing, I just wish it specified if you have to reroll both dice or not. Rerolling charges is a massive boost when you consider it applied to everything except our tanks. Where does it say that it doesn't apply to tanks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Rerolling charges is good even if it isn't amazing, I just wish it specified if you have to reroll both dice or not. Rerolling charges is a massive boost when you consider it applied to everything except our tanks. Where does it say that it doesn't apply to tanks? In the ultramarine chapter preview they said that chapter tactics are applied to infantry, bikes and dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Where are these posted? Don't see em on FB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 But not only to those. Just that they DO all apply to those. Eome might to more unit keywords. The BT chapter tactic is pathetic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Leak on the news and rumours. On one thing I agree with you Bolvar, it can only get better. I don't know how can this be good, but if you are happy with it good. You charge a UM tactical Squad with a crusader squad, Get overwatched. 1st option. You fail the roll, reroll. You fail again. GG. 2nd option: You pass the roll/ re roll, and get into CC. With luck you kill a couple of them. They fall back and shoot you in the face at rapid fire range. GG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Wow, so much dissapointment on these lairs, why? Did you expect something along the lines of: +1 to hit rolls, +1 to wound rolls, 3 extra attacks and 3+ FNP or what? We WANT to charge and stay in combat for as long as possible, and they gave us the best thing they could give: reroll the charge if failed. Because to actually fight in combat, you have to catch the enemy. I love our CT. Specially because I love to send terminators deep striking, or guys in a drop pod. Repeat: I love it PD: we still don't know our chapter stratagem and warlord trait, among other things, but this can only get better, for me at least. Today is a good day brothers. This is most likely the point of view that the BT GW tester has and was always having a major issue with the random charge distance. To some this is going to be the best thing ever to others getting into combat was never a big issue. It was either making it there with enough people to do the job or being out classed to get the job done. It really comes down to what you are playing against or how bad you are at making charge rolls. I know there is a part of the community that hates random charge distance and believes if I can just make the charge the game will be fixed. I for one have always liked the random element for charge but I did so even in the last edition of WFB. Maybe the warlord trait will help out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's not an unreasonable tactic. It's basicly ere we go. That Orks have. It's just not Templarly. It's Blood Angel or Zerker. And we are neither of those. I want something that demostrates are unrelenting march forward. Our desire to never fall back. To stand our ground and never surrender. Did Grimaldus run out of the Temple? No he loudly declared "I made my grave in this place!" I wanted something to demonstrate our endless Crusading nature. Where the Salies stayed and protect Civilians, we leaped onward upon the Orks to slay Warboss. Instead of waiting inside the city we struck a symbolic blow, against the Orks. We went and retrieved an Ancient Titan. We never surrendered. We Endured and We Make our foes pay for every inch of ground with the blood of thrice our number. I wanted something to represent the Templars, "Never Retreat". Rerolling charges is nice. But we aren't defined by charging in lore and in mechanics compared to other chapters we didn't care if we charged or got charged. Even in 7th our tactics activated if we were charged. I wanted our tactics to demostrates our constant counter attacks and how we never give ground only take ground or die where we stand. That is why rerolling charges are a disappointnent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We should change the thread title. I did edit the 1st post and request the mods to change it, I don't seem to be able to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336848-black-templars-ct-leaked/#findComment-4823700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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