Godeskian Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 So I'm happy enough with how my Purifier experiment went (batrep coming shortly) that I'll probably put it as a permanent formation in my list building for my Knights, but it needs a third elite slot to be a proper detachment and I've decided on a Dreadnought. Problem is, I'm not sure what kind of dreadnought. Having just raided Warhammer World, I can currently build A Doomglaive. A Melta / CCW dread A Lascannon / CCW dread A Melta / twin autocannon dread A Lascannon / twin autocannon dread A twin autocannon / twin autocannon dread. I'm thinking of loading it into the Stormraven, so I'm thinking either the Melta / CCW or the Doomglaive would be really practical as each would give me a bit of extra short range punch. On the other hand, the lascannon / autocannon or the double autocannon dreads are excellent for ranges vehicular mayhem. I've run the dual autocannon Dread off and on since fifth edition and its always a solid if not always spectacular. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seizeman Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Doomglaive, not close. Dreadnoughts in general are really fearsome in melee. Dreadnoughts with ranged weapons only are not that efficient as you are wasting the attacks and strenght in their profile. The main point about hybrid dreadnoughts, specially in grey knights, is that you want to focus on one side of the opponent's army and keep the army mostly together, so they sinergise better. Also you can't use your smite if you are far away from the enemy. Just compare the double autocannon dread (venerable) with the doomglaive. The doomglaive will be able to benefit from Gm rerolls usually, so 6 "autocannon" shots at 3+ rerollable plus an storm bolter at 2+ rerollable vs 8 autocannon shots at 2+. The doomglaive's shooting is not that much worse. Now add the smite and the fearsome melee ability and the difference is clear. A CCW + melta dread is pretty good too, but a bit more expensive and less versatile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4828751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I've been running a Venerable Dreadnought with TL Lascannon and TL Autocannon and it's been a beast. Having the Lascannons hit on 2+ and wound vehicles on 3+ is absolutely boss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4829120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Sirus Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Either a doomglaive or a fire support build, with lascannoms, autocannons or missile launcher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4829181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfast Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 What is a doomglaive dreadnought? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4833621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Sirus Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Its a forgeworld model, its in imperial armour index 1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4833641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfast Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Aha, thanks. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4833669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMostGood Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I guess figure out what style of army you like to play. Do you like shooty armies / gun line armies? Do you like armies that get up in your opponent's face? What is your meta like? Do you play against horde armies? Do you find yourself going up against flyers a lot? Once you figure that out, start to fill out your army. When you go to add your dreadnought, you might ask "What is my list lacking?" "What can I put on this dreadnought that will round this all out." It's never quite as simple as "Always take X" or "You should put Y because you might go up against Z." No easy answers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4833843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I don't think Twin autocannon arms are a thing anymore, at least if your basing it from the new SM: Codex...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4834317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I don't think Twin autocannon arms are a thing anymore, at least if your basing it from the new SM: Codex...? You can still use the Index entry if you prefer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4834349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Yeah, that's a cluster cuss. I've been using a sm dread. Now with the codex out its list options. So instead ill go back to using the older index version. But at new prices! Hell if they mess up our new codex we can just use 'better' versions from the index! And as they are 'grey knights' and like the sm example still have chapter tactics they won't impact detachments or strategums in any way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4836088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yeah that change where Dreads lose weapon options is...odd, to say the least. Dunno why they even did it. Potentially to sell Redemptor kits? I guess we shall see how our Dreads get rebalanced in our codex release. If they stay exactly the same I'll be happy, I think they're fine as is. Some of our unique units need a bit of reworking though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4841549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Yeah that change where Dreads lose weapon options is...odd, to say the least. Dunno why they even did it. Potentially to sell Redemptor kits? I guess we shall see how our Dreads get rebalanced in our codex release. If they stay exactly the same I'll be happy, I think they're fine as is. Some of our unique units need a bit of reworking though. They mentioned the new codexes will only have options that can be readily purchased from GW, so things like the twin autocannon from FW isnt included by default. Speaking of the Redemptor, looking at it next to the regular boxnought - its huge! Literally twice the size. For those GK players who've hated the NDK model, the Redemptor would be a suitable chassis for finally converting a Dreadnought into a NDK. Between the Redemptor and Telemon (from FW), Dreadnoughts are now the same height and bulk of NDKs! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4842418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strykaar Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 We did not lose any dread options. As Waking said they are simply not in the Codex, because you cant built it with the current GW kit. You are (by FAQ!) still allowed to use ALL index options that are missing in the Codizes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4842635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarclaw Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Im not 100 percent on their intended meaning for index options. Do we use the Dreadnought from the Index or do we use the dreadnought from our codex and just use the points and profiles for the specific weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4845424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macabre Slanneshi Prince Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Dreadnought from the index, as otherwise there's no guidelines to what you can equip it with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336998-help-me-pick-a-dreadnought/#findComment-4845472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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