Plaguecaster Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Sounds interesting I'll probably pick it up during my monthly visit of a GW which is a few hours away as I'm bound to re read it multiple times regardless as I get bored a lot and just like reading a novel a day plus the prospect of a new series always pleased me as I can binge read the previous titles every time a new one comes out :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4840071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I think its highly possible, to me the book comes across as an opening book in a series. I could be wrong, I hope I am right! What it could go into - is probably a building of lore for th Noctis Aeterna. Maybe I'm wrong but it was intended as a stand-alone novel in the new W41K setting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4840081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 'Seems to be the first of an Omnibus as far as I can tell' - ahem, what? *Series You think where would be a continuation? Left it open at the end. When the god-worshipping lunatic twin gets picked up by the III Legion, the rest of the Alphas go onboard the Imperial vessel, and (oh yes) we don't see the Faustian bargain fulfilled Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4840767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slitth Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I think that depends on how well the characters are received. If they gather a decent fan-base then we will see a series. If not, they may try with a second book. As far as I have seen the books that sell best are the one that is about a specific time period. Or about characters that have a decent fan-base like Bloodquest or Garro. But I do not think that the characters in Shroud of Night will gather a big enough fan-base. They do NOT the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy with their cause for me to ask for another book with them as main cast. Edit: They do NOT the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4840896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I think that depends on how well the characters are received. If they gather a decent fan-base then we will see a series. If not, they may try with a second book. As far as I have seen the books that sell best are the one that is about a specific time period. Or about characters that have a decent fan-base like Bloodquest or Garro. But I do not think that the characters in Shroud of Night will gather a big enough fan-base. They do the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy with their cause for me to ask for another book with them as main cast. First Clark novel 'Kingsblade' was well received and it is almost 100% approved to have a sequel. But it had a more closure for the end of a story in the novel. This one so far has a generally positive review - but there are issues with the bolter-porn, worldviews and absolutely open ending/unfulfilled bargain. And one of the biggest - even through we read it, AL main characters not generated the hype and sympathy as you mentioned - for me to want to read the next book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4841391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 So are these "modern" 40k stories largely self-contained? Heresy-style over Beast Arises style? If so, I might actually give them a read. Developing 8th ed. into a proper setting in itself is much more appealing to me than presenting it as a linear story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4842287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 So are these "modern" 40k stories largely self-contained? Heresy-style over Beast Arises style? If so, I might actually give them a read. Developing 8th ed. into a proper setting in itself is much more appealing to me than presenting it as a linear story. So far Dark Imperium and Shroud of Night does not give us the needed view on the Noctis Aeterna period and after (through Haley did tried in his Guilliman centered story - but we have a DI thread for that). It's like a self-contained stories from W40K inserted into the W41K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4842656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPTIMVSCHRISTVS Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just finished this one- absolutely loved it. Really hope that there will be a sequel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4848667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlephNull Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 I just finished it as well. Read it in a single night and I plan to give it a second, slower read when time allows. I really enjoyed it and highly recommend. It had a really good A-Team vibe to it, and my nostalgia was pleasantly appeased. Bravo, Andy Clark! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4849207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extropian Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I enjoyed this. It felt like a slightly less good ADB Night Lords novel....similar type of characters. And by "slightly less good" i mean no disrespect, as those are some of my absolute favourite 40K novels. It just wasn't quite as rich or deep, and the plot was somewhat formulaic. Overall though definitely a fun and entertaining read, and i would 100% read more of these characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4849224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I just finished it as well. Read it in a single night and I plan to give it a second, slower read when time allows. I really enjoyed it and highly recommend. It had a really good A-Team vibe to it, and my nostalgia was pleasantly appeased. Bravo, Andy Clark! True - he tried to do his best, but in all honesty his 'Kingsblade' was a better novel. This one truly suffers from being almost direct bolter porn and in every sentence of the last pages of this story you do feel that book 2 is incoming, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4849356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Finished. Quite a nice read but not kind of wow nice. Rather satisfactiory. My main issue with this book was: Khârn.Was he really necessary? The more I read the more it looked like it's just Khârn butchering imperials single handedly. I understand the concept of plot armour, but almost every scene when Khârn just ignores storm of bolter/las/plasma/falmer/weird weapons that mechanicum have because HE'S Khârn AND WILL NOT DIE, left me with a bad taste. I mean, sure, he's one of estabilished immortal heroes of the setting but I'd expect a little more than this Khârn ex machina. Big plus for the uthor for avoiding "I am Alpharius" quote and showing that AL can also have personality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4854386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 ^^^^ But he did use that quote ;) "I am Alpharius" spat Kassar "and I am Death" The imperial fist charged at him swinging his power sword in a high arc Kassar shot him three times in the face Was an awesome if slightly less honourable duel against a Primaris lieutenant :D pg 195 Kassar used the "I am Aplharius a couple of other times as well though no where as awesome as this moment I just finished reading it and absolutely loved it :) will write a better opinion later as I really like it and plan on rereading it again in a couple of days once I finish a couple of other novels I need to read Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4855229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 My brain must have censored it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4856679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ^^^^ But he did use that quote "I am Alpharius" spat Kassar "and I am Death" The imperial fist charged at him swinging his power sword in a high arc Kassar shot him three times in the face Was an awesome if slightly less honourable duel against a Primaris lieutenant pg 195 Kassar used the "I am Aplharius a couple of other times as well though no where as awesome as this moment I just finished reading it and absolutely loved it will write a better opinion later as I really like it and plan on rereading it again in a couple of days once I finish a couple of other novels I need to read Again - the fluff is new and they are experimanting on it. But Kassar should have never defeated the Primaris Leitenant in single combat. It's old SM vs Primaris veteran for Gods sake. The scene was made purely to show 'how' competent and awesome AL Harrowmaster is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4856684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ^^^^^^ Did you actually read it??? The harrow master didn't actually beat him in single combat though did he Kassar couldn't actually overcome the lieutenant one on one since the Primaris had the better advantage so basically cheated just to defeat the Primaris. Besides it wasn't even Kassar who killed the Primaris anyway so it's hardly a fair single combat match anyway ;) it wasn't just to show how awesome the harrow master was (though it did a pretty good job of that anyway :D ) it was to show that the alpha legion doesnt care about honour or fighting fair all that matters is fulfilling their mission Also to be fair Harrowmaster Kassar is the alpha legion equilvant of a chaos lord so he did at least have a good chance not that he bothered to fight fair any way since he knew the Primaris was the stronger opponent , hell he challenged the Primaris to a duel only to shoot the fool in the head when the lieutenant accepted it and even then it didn't kill the fist that's hardly a fair fight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4856832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 ^^^^^^ Did you actually read it??? The harrow master didn't actually beat him in single combat though did he Kassar couldn't actually overcome the lieutenant one on one since the Primaris had the better advantage so basically cheated just to defeat the Primaris. Besides it wasn't even Kassar who killed the Primaris anyway so it's hardly a fair single combat match anyway it wasn't just to show how awesome the harrow master was (though it did a pretty good job of that anyway ) it was to show that the alpha legion doesnt care about honour or fighting fair all that matters is fulfilling their mission Also to be fair Harrowmaster Kassar is the alpha legion equilvant of a chaos lord so he did at least have a good chance not that he bothered to fight fair any way since he knew the Primaris was the stronger opponent , hell he challenged the Primaris to a duel only to shoot the fool in the head when the lieutenant accepted it and even then it didn't kill the fist that's hardly a fair fight Lol, yes I read it on a day of release, lol. And you totally misunderstood me - Kassar took his time 'dueling' Leitenant. Primaris should have been able to overpower him more quickly - and Kassar is definitely not th 'chaos' lord - more a captain/Heresy praetor equivalent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4857589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Lets agree to disagree :d we both read it and had different opinions, to me A Chaos lord is basically the chaos version of captain / Heresy Praetor though and the Primaris was only a lieutenant as well for all their perfection Primaris still can be outclassed by more veteran and experienced enemies just look at the "duel" the lieutenant was actually winning in close combat even after being shot in the face 3 times (which is why Primaris probably couldn't overpower kassar so easily) and Kassar couldn't dispatch him easily like other enemies so he played for time so another of his team could get the kill Seems like true alpha legion shenanigans to me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4857624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Lets agree to disagree we both read it and had different opinions, to me A Chaos lord is basically the chaos version of captain / Heresy Praetor though and the Primaris was only a lieutenant as well for all their perfection Primaris still can be outclassed by more veteran and experienced enemies just look at the "duel" the lieutenant was actually winning in close combat even after being shot in the face 3 times (which is why Primaris probably couldn't overpower kassar so easily) and Kassar couldn't dispatch him easily like other enemies so he played for time so another of his team could get the kill Seems like true alpha legion shenanigans to me Haha - indeed, I could say you are more right then I thougt before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4857757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlephNull Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 I am just overjoyed to see HH era marines killing Primaris. I'm certainly not adding any Primaris models to my collection, so it was nice to be thrown a bone by an author. A kind of "Yeah man, original marines are still cool!". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4859133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I am just overjoyed to see HH era marines killing Primaris. I'm certainly not adding any Primaris models to my collection, so it was nice to be thrown a bone by an author. A kind of "Yeah man, original marines are still cool!". And they are still valid and cando stuff But in scope of a general battlefield wall vs wall - Primaris would win eventually due them being overenchanced in comparison to the old Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4860097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Old Skool Marines days are numbered! The giant clock of doom is tick tocking for them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4860388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Old Skool Marines days are numbered! The giant clock of doom is tick tocking for them! lol. The End times is upon us - call the inquisition Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4860466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I've finally finished reading this one. Nice to see the Imperial Fists being destroyed in a Novel. That's never happened before! Not sure why they kept going on about doing things "for Dorn". He's been dead for millennia! I didn't realise Celestine could be killed only to be reborn somewhere else in the Galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4866268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 It's a shame to see Celestine is now going to suffer from the same problem as the Daemon Primarchs do. She can't permadie, so naturally every other appearance she's going to get skewered to show how 'ard the pet faction of that book is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337088-shroud-of-night/page/2/#findComment-4867102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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