Codex vs Index, lost options

[Eddie Orlock]

And the index version doesn't give him the wargear option to purchase one. And he doesn't have a force staff to replace either. So both index wargear options are simply unavailable...

... Or, you read it as when you elect for index wargear you presume to start with the index base load and go from there.

[Gentlemanloser]

Or you read it as having the option for both codex wargear options and index wargear options.

 

Sadly it seems neither is actually RAW.

 

 

Edit. I don't use Facebook, would someone mind bumping this (Can a GK Librarian take an Index Storm shield?) to GW?  Cheers in advance!

[Kastor Krieg]

Are there wargear options for your model that only appear in the index version of the datasheet?

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YES

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Use the codex version of your model's datasheet BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE THE INDEX VERSION FOR ITS WARGEAR OPTIONS [...]

 

So, you use the codex datasheet all the time, BUT you can pick "codex datasheet with index wargear". That also means "default index wargear" (it absolutely has to so that swapping works), so I'm not really sure what's not clear.

[Gentlemanloser]

The flowchart state 'wargear options' and wargear options *only*.

 

Default wargear is not, and cannot be, an option.

 

By the flowcart RAW you have to use the codex datasheet in all cases. Including codex datasheet default wargear.

 

That's clear Kastor. There no wriggle room there. And no interpretation either.

 

Edit. The heading for the section on the datasheet is titled 'wargear options' you don't get much clearer then that.

[Ciler]

It doesn't matter anyway. Thus far the only problem remains with the GK librarian which we all know was an oversight.

[Gentlemanloser]

Which is why i asked if a kind soul would mind bumping this to GW via Facebook. :)

 

I wonder if this effects the Autarch or Commisar in any way as well. Or if it effects the next two Marine codexes to be released, who also had a chopped down index list with units taken from the marine index section.

[Ciler]

It doesn't.

[Kastor Krieg]

Yeah, no way I can agree. Reading it as "just the 'wargear options' bracket" is a very narrow reading. Default wargear is part of the wargear options, because it's an option to leave it be or swap it for something else. It's a solid package, you cannot have them separate, because otherwise you get codex default wargear which has different stuff there for swaps than index wargear options - and this would make the swaps impossible.

You absolutely need to choose the whole package, "wargear options" means all options = the default wargear you can leave be + wargear you can change it to.

[Quixus]

While this obviously is the intended meaning, it is not what the flow chart says. Yes only being allowed to use the options section is a narrow and dysfunctional reading, but the flow chart does not give us permission to use anything but what's in that section. If the model does not have what can be replaced by the war gear in the option section, you cannot exchange it. It is just like the Deathwing Terminator Sgt. in 6th Ed. at some point in the rules fixing process. The options section said something like Any model can exchange its power fist and storm bolter for...2LCs or TH/SS. Yes that meant that the Sgt. could not get 2 LCs because he did not have a power fist to trade.

[Gentlemanloser]

Kastor is not narrow reading.

 

It's exactly what the flow chart states.

 

Default wargear is in now way part of a units wargear options. Just as thier 'ability' or 'psyker' sections are not part off thier wargear options either.

 

This is in purpose so axe commisars dont get the un nerfed summary execution rule.

 

Wargear options means the titled wargear option section and nothing else.

[Ciler]

Actually, the rulebook p. 174 distinguishes clearly between wargear and unit composition.

 

Honestly, you're grasping at straws to try and justify taking options that were never intended, it's becoming painfully obvious.

[Kastor Krieg]

Actually, the rulebook p. 174 distinguishes clearly between wargear and unit composition.

 

Honestly, you're grasping at straws to try and justify taking options that were never intended, it's becoming painfully obvious.

As per usual, unfortunately.

[Gentlemanloser]

Me?

 

I'd want to take a SS. I can't. How is that grasping at straws?

 

Ciler you agree that default wargear is the same as wargear option?

 

And you can use index default wargear with the flow chart?

 

Ah scratch all that. The default wargear a unit comes with its part of the 'unit composition' section of the data sheet.

 

Calling it base or default wargear is misleading.

 

It's still not 'wargear options' and we can't use the index 'unit composition'.

 

Which means we are forced to use the codex unit composition section.

 

And GK librarian cannot take a SS as as per thier unit composition they do not have a storm bolter.

 

Correct?

 

And this is in no way narrow reading, grasping at straws or wanting to justify taking items not intended.

[Dam13n]

We're done here. The ruling from GW (via the flow chart) is pretty clear.

If anyone is unhappy with the flow chart, then they should contact GW via their Facebook page rather than persisting in a fruitless discussion here.

Regardless, this thread is now Terminated!