Ophelia conquered by daemons?

[Warsmith Aznable]

In the new space marines codex in the history section about the Indomitus Crusade it talks about how daemons and traitor specifically target Ecclessiarchal worlds, and the Black Templars launch crusade after crusade to free them. Among the description is, "The entire population of Ophelia was freed from the Tyrant of Blueflame, although the Greater Daemon escaped the Emperor's justice."

 

WHAT?

[Aqui]

I haven't read the Marine Codex properly, but Holy if that isn't a kick in the face to Sisters in general!

That said, what better way of motivating the Orders that to start a crusade to banish that Daemon!

[Beams]

I haven't read the Marine Codex properly, but Holy if that isn't a kick in the face to Sisters in general!

That said, what better way of motivating the Orders that to start a crusade to banish that Daemon!

Right? That's such a "the sisters aren't good at the one thing they are good at!" Kind of line.

[Aqui]

 

I haven't read the Marine Codex properly, but Holy if that isn't a kick in the face to Sisters in general!

That said, what better way of motivating the Orders that to start a crusade to banish that Daemon!

Right? That's such a "the sisters aren't good at the one thing they are good at!" Kind of line.

 

I understand the need to shake up every army in 40K and having a Shrine World fall would do that. But Ophelia?! Then again, planets like Fenris and Baal have taken hits too, so we should have seen it coming. But that would mean Witchcraft, and therefore a no no...

[dracpanzer]

In the new space marines codex in the history section about the Indomitus Crusade it talks about how daemons and traitor specifically target Ecclessiarchal worlds, and the Black Templars launch crusade after crusade to free them. Among the description is, "The entire population of Ophelia was freed from the Tyrant of Blueflame, although the Greater Daemon escaped the Emperor's justice."

 

WHAT?

Propaganda of course, the Marines must have gotten lost, arrived in the Ophelia system while the Sisters were annihilating this tyrant character, the Marines are trying to claim the credit... Edited July 30, 2017 by dracpanzer

[Commander Dawnstar]

The Black Templars timeline also touches on this a little. It mentions that the Templars sent out four crusade fleets after being reinforced with Primaris Marines, each bound to protect a particular major shrine world of the Imperium. One of these crusades was bound for Ophelia VII.

 

A big thing to remember is that the Templars freed Ophelia from this daemonic presence, not Ophelia VII. Obviously it doesn't exactly reflect well on us either way, but at least they don't seem to be presenting the site of the Convent Prioris itself as needing to be bailed out by Space Marines. This is just a "corruption can take root even in the Ecclesiarchy's back yard" sort of footnote.

[Warsmith Aznable]

I mean, sure, Cadia blew up, and the Fenris and Baal systems were ravaged. But that was a big deal, with each getting their own campaign book. I guess what gripes me is how minor and unimportant this makes it seem. The convent home of three major orders conquered by daemons and freed by their buddy space marine chapter described in about three sentences in passing, that's what grinds my gears. The significance of Ophelia wasn't even hinted at beyond being one of several shrine worlds mentioned.

[A.T.]

Well that's just silly. Like having a three line note in the guard dex that a passing Death Korps detachment freed Ultramar from subjugation by an apostate cardinal.

 

A Templar strike force would be a footnote compared to Ophelias defence forces, let alone those of one of the largest forgeworlds this side of Mars that is also within the system.

[Mossback]

The Black Templars timeline also touches on this a little. It mentions that the Templars sent out four crusade fleets after being reinforced with Primaris Marines, each bound to protect a particular major shrine world of the Imperium. One of these crusades was bound for Ophelia VII.

 

A big thing to remember is that the Templars freed Ophelia from this daemonic presence, not Ophelia VII. Obviously it doesn't exactly reflect well on us either way, but at least they don't seem to be presenting the site of the Convent Prioris itself as needing to be bailed out by Space Marines. This is just a "corruption can take root even in the Ecclesiarchy's back yard" sort of footnote.

I was trying to find some background material on the Ophelia system, but there doesn't seem much mention of other planets in that system. I'm guessing Ophelia VII is the seventh planet in the system, and possibly the only inhabitable one. The other planets in the system might have mining colonies, factories, or simply be too inhospitable for any use, save bombardment targets. If there were some demonic invasion of the Ophelia system, and the planet was "saved" by the Templars , then the writer of the fluff needs to be gently reminded of the presence of a 90k square mile by 4 km high cathedral and three major orders of the Adepta Sororitas who would most certainly be actively engaged in defending their homeworld. If the writer fails to make amends for his oversight, then perhaps the cannoness should hold him underwater in a fountain of holy water until he stops kicking. Heresy manifests itself in many forms, and poor research and writing should be viewed as a punishable offense.

[Atrus]

See, this is the sort of gak fluff ive been afraid of. If we get a dex this event will be in it presumably and not just footnoted again. More tha likely itll detail everything the templars had for breakfast anf leave the sisters as backgeound.

[Servant of Dante]

Are we sure they meant Ophelia VII, because if they did, this is just another nail in the coffin (it's already pretty full of nails) for me ever including anything GS and on in my headcanon. Really. The entirety of three major orders, who knows how many minor orders, one of the 2 seats of the Ecclesiarchy, and who know what else just casually wiped out?

 

Whatever you say, marine codex writer, whatever you say.

 

Edit: i mean, Ophelia has to be one of the best defended worlds in the Imprrium outside Terra (and probably Acadia, before the 13th BC). I wouldn't have been happy if they did this with a whole campaign, it shouldn't happen at all. It'd be like if everyone on Ultramar died, including the population of the ultramarine's fortress monestary.

 

Edit 2: on the bright side, every thing they do like this makes it easier to ignore all this fluff in my headcanon. I'll keep up with what comes out for Sisters, I'll just keep it seperate from the older fluff in my mind.

Edited July 31, 2017 by Servant of Dante

[Commander Dawnstar]

As I said earlier in the thread, the Codex names Ophelia (not Ophelia VII) as the world liberated. That Ophelia VII is mentioned elsewhere among three other major shrine worlds as general targets for the Black Templars crusades - crusades aiming to bolster their defences, not liberate/purge them - certainly suggests that the world that fell under daemonic influence was Ophelia and not Ophelia VII.

 

Also I'm sure this isn't exactly to your tastes either, but you have to remember that the post-GS fluff has daemons mounting an invasion of Terra that Guilliman and the Imperial Fists have to put down together. Not even the Throneworld is being portrayed as safe from attack anymore.

[CaptainHelion]

I think the tricky bit isn't that Ophelia VII came under attack, but that it was Liberated from a Daemonic Tyrant, which implies that it was conquered by said daemons, off screen, with nary a mention of the thousands upon thousands of Ministorum and Sororitas troops already canonically stationed there. Which puts a bad taste in the mouth. Its as if Gaathering Storm started with Rise of the Primarch, and mentioned the Fall of Cadia once, in a sidebar paragraph about Guilliman sending troops to reinforce the former Cadian Gate.

[Eddie Orlock]

Perhaps the sisters got tricked? They responded to distress calls early from nearby systems and overcommitted to saving imperial subjects on less militarised worlds with reasonable confidence that the remaining garrison could hold off all customary threats. Perhaps Tzeentch manipulated the speed of these astropathic transmissions to generate this circumstance.

 

Getting a land-hold to start a campaign is a challenge that Astartes are specifically created to answer. It only said it was crusade forces, quite possibly the sisters linked up with the crusade to liberate their own base in this scenario and it was by sisters with marine spearhead support?

 

It might only look like they got stuffed in the fridge.

[CaptainHelion]

If it looks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck....

[Servant of Dante]

That wouldn't change the fact that the entire population was killed, which is the major issue I have with this. There's a difference between "under treat from daemons" and "entire population killed by daemons."

 

Hopefully they meant some other world when they said "Ophelia"

[Commander Dawnstar]

I guess you're interpreting "freed" to be a euphemism for killed ... because it says freed.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Maybe there are multiple planets named "Ophelia"? Games Workshop did name Medusa V after the Iron Hands Chapter planet, for one of its summer campaigns.

[Servant of Dante]

Well, may bad :D it does say freed. That still doesn't really fix my issue with this, but I don't need to keep saying that.

 

Yeah, it seems that maybe they meant a different planet called Ophelia, rather than Ophelia VII

[Mossback]

I don't know if I buy that, Dante. Too similar to a major planet to be attributed to just an oversight. That would be like them saying, "Orks invade Terra! Planet in flames! Oh, we meant Terra IV...not THE Terra." If the intent was to enrage the Adepta Sororitas fans, then mission success. If it was a way to show the Sisters need better weapons to protect their planet, then that is marketing brilliance. What better way to sell new models, like flyers, heavy tanks, or Knights then to show how understrength the Sisters are? Maybe this is a lead in for our new Codex or plastic models. We can only hope.

[Servant of Dante]

I don't know if I buy that, Dante. Too similar to a major planet to be attributed to just an oversight. That would be like them saying, "Orks invade Terra! Planet in flames! Oh, we meant Terra IV...not THE Terra." If the intent was to enrage the Adepta Sororitas fans, then mission success. If it was a way to show the Sisters need better weapons to protect their planet, then that is marketing brilliance. What better way to sell new models, like flyers, heavy tanks, or Knights then to show how understrength the Sisters are? Maybe this is a lead in for our new Codex or plastic models. We can only hope.

I agree, it's silly, and even if it's just ignorance or sloppy wording on the writer's part, that doesn't make it that much better. I'm just trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

 

Also, welcome to the B&C I just noticed thet you're a new member. I always like seeing more Sisters players around here (the Sisters sub-forum being the only place I'm really active around here). Here's your flamer and 3 barrels of the Emperor's Holy Promethium. If you have any questions, feel free to ask (me, someone else, or a mod, everyone's pretty helpful I've found). I like the profile picture

 

edit: not that I'm nearly the most senior member even in this thread, by a long shot :D I just try and make sure to say hi to all the new Sisters players on the forum.

Edited July 31, 2017 by Servant of Dante

[Mossback]

Thanks for the warm welcome! (Pun intended!) I'm just getting into 40k, and really liked the background story of the Adepta Sororitas. I've read just about everything I can find on them from forums, Wiki type sites, and fiction in the Black Library. I chose my order as the Bloody Rose since I didn't want to go vanilla OooML (nothing wrong with them) and liked the color scheme of the Bloody Rose. This forum, and subforum, have been the most informative I've found. 

 

I guess I should show the progress of my Order, so I'll post a picture. Building up a Sororitas army is only slightly less expensive than building a working starship, as you all know. I need to get my ministorum preachers out there with collection plates and shaking down the faithful until it hurts, and then a bit more, haha.

[dracpanzer]

Very nice start! Love the Bloody Rose scheme.

[Servant of Dante]

Awesome! If you want to read the 2E codex, I can help with that (or Witch Hunters, or the Liber Sororitas article from White Dwarf).

[CaptainMarsh]

Three possibilities:

1- This is the Ophelia we care about. If this is the case, horrible lore.

2- The Ophelia taken by Daemonic forces is not the same Ophelia we care about, but in the same system. If so, still bad lore, but less bad. I can see an argument being that with it being cut off for long periods of time by warp storms, powerful daemonic forces targeted them because of how holy the system is. They can't take VII, do take a planet. Still bad, but potential there for some future fluff in the Sisters dex about them fighting outrageous numbers of Daemons for years and holding on despite it all. I mean, this is the edition in which the White Scars homeworld and other major planets (like Cadia and Mordia) are being battered or are defeated.

3- They used a similar name, but aren't referencing the same world, ala Medusa of Iron Hands fame and Medusa V of campaign fame.