Constructive Criticism and gore

[The Wolfguard]

Hi there!

 

So I've almost finished my first primaris squad and I'm thinking of making them a successor to the ultramarines chapter (so I can use their rules and characters etc to be honest). I'm not a great painter and really like the primaris because it lets me do something basic that imo looks pretty ok! However I was wondering if you guys think I should add something or take something away from my paint scheme. I was recommended to add a blue shoulder pad or the like to tie them into the ultramarines, as I'm thinking of using them as a pseudo 1st company with primaris for veterans and terminators in the army. Anyway here's a link to the squad, the fifth had to be taken out as he needs to be stripped of paint due to a few issues but here - 

 

http://imgur.com/a/VzVtS

Please ignore the modelling issues and the like. I made them quite late after a night out and I regret it but I decided I'd test the scheme out on them anyway. There's still some details like the purity seals to pick out but other than that does the armour itself look OK? The gold isn't too orange-ish? 

 

 

On another note - two quick questions now. Do you think I should add dirt effects to them? I normally like to capture the endless war of 40k, however I also liked the idea that these primaris are hot off the press. Also if adding gore how would you add it? I'm used to adding it to chainswords etc but without the melee weapons I wasn't sure where to put it on these if I Was going to?

[Bryan Blaire]

If you don't want to strongly tie them to their Ultramarine "ancestry", then make the wax on the purity seals blue.

 

The armor looks fine, unless you were going to a detailed appearance. It appears completely colored, but not shaded.

 

Dirt effects: are you intending them to be in the middle of on-going battle or as if they just touched down are are taking their first steps onto the battlefield?

 

Gore/blood: should go (if used) anywhere the Marine may have used something as a melee weapon (rifle butt or sides, hands, knees, feet, elbows, forehead) and anywhere that weapon would have caused blood splatter to go.

[Kinstryfe]

Those look quite good and I like the scheme. The way I see it you don't have to add anything blue, but it could be interesting here and there. Maybe veterans wear ultramarine blue helmets instead of white, or maybe you make your chapter symbol reflect the Ultimate in some way, either as that in a different color, or an Omega. I don't think it's necessary, but it could certainly give you interesting ways to show their loyalty to the big RG.

[The Wolfguard]

Bryan, for the armour I didn't want to go too detailed, it's a bit past my skill I'm afraid. As long as this looks good I'll stick by it to be honest. For Dirt effects I was thinking of going middle of the battle, maybe fresh mud around the boots or the like. For the blood effects I like the idea you have and I have some blood for the blood god which I really like, I was just worried it might look a bit random applying it to elbows etc?

 

Kinstryfe, I'm glad you like the scheme! Maybe the sergeants could have the blue helmets? As I said, the army is going to be based around first company but replacing veterans with Primaris so in a way the Primaris will all be the veterans. As it stands none of the helmets were going to be different colours, maybe a blue helmet or shoulder pad that is scratched/damaged so some of the silver shows through could work? (I think this is within my ability to paint) I do like the idea of turning the ultramarines symbol upside down for an Omega type style. My brother that has collected ultramarines for while thought it'd be cool to have them as a company within the ultramarines that works almost like an 'elite force' (moreso than marines already are I guess!) 

 

Though I was looking forwards to trying to have Marneus or Roboute himself in the army, would that be deemed cheesy having him within a successor chapter or the like? Also if I did have them should they be their traditional colours do you think?

[Kinstryfe]

Kinstryfe, I'm glad you like the scheme! Maybe the sergeants could have the blue helmets? As I said, the army is going to be based around first company but replacing veterans with Primaris so in a way the Primaris will all be the veterans. As it stands none of the helmets were going to be different colours, maybe a blue helmet or shoulder pad that is scratched/damaged so some of the silver shows through could work? (I think this is within my ability to paint) I do like the idea of turning the ultramarines symbol upside down for an Omega type style. My brother that has collected ultramarines for while thought it'd be cool to have them as a company within the ultramarines that works almost like an 'elite force' (moreso than marines already are I guess!) 

 

Though I was looking forwards to trying to have Marneus or Roboute himself in the army, would that be deemed cheesy having him within a successor chapter or the like? Also if I did have them should they be their traditional colours do you think?

I think blue helmets on sgts would be a nice twist to mark them out as well as tying them to the ultras. As far as successor special characters, I personally feel that if your army is "Ultramarines" them they should be able to field "Ultramarines" special characters. I'm not sure what the book says about that though. I would say paint them to match your army, though RG could have the argument made either way.

[The Wolfguard]

I know I'm allowed to field them as I'll be using them as legion astartes Ultramarines for rules. I'm worried if I should though since I don't want to be called out for using them only because they're 'cheesy' or 'OP'. I love Marneus as the art of him on the chair is what first got me into 40k. I wasn't a fan of roboute guilliman's model and chatted :cuss about it when it came out however I saw it up close the other week and kind of like it! However I now feel if I go back on this it's going to look like it's because I just wanted the new 'op' model in my army. 

 

 

I'm going to go with the blue helmets for sure, should I keep the gold stripe do you think? I'm going to try and add mud and the like to their shoes etc later today and work on the bases as well then update here and see what people think :)