No More Rifleman Dreadnoughts?!?

[anarchistscourge]

So i picked up my codex this weekend and upon reading found some tragic things.

 

- First and foremost is that it looks like Dreadnoughts can't take 2 Twin autocannons, in fact it doesn't look like they can take any twin autocannons.

- Next is Dual Heavy Flamers on Landspeeders and Twin Heavy Flamers on Razorbacks as well as Las-Plas. These are no more.

- No more Relic Blades on Honour Guard

- And finally, and most certainly least, the Landspeeder Storm is equipped with a Heavy Bolter and Cerebus Launcher with no option to change the heavy bolter.

 

Now is it just me or have GW really gone and taken a bunch of options away from us? Its not like there not in the codex and so we could use the index (codex trumps index). Or is this a really bad oversight which could potentially get errata'ed?

 

Thoughts

[Halandaar]

No it's not an oversight. Yes you can still use rifleman dreads and in fact all that other stuff you mentioned.

 

In a nutshell;

• Codex represents the current model range available through GW
• Index supports options for models that aren't made any more, and options that may have been converted/kitbashed based on their availability in previous editions.

This is why things like Honour Guard options are gone from the Codex, because there's only one Honour Guard kit available;  the Ultramarines one with axes that comes with Calgar. It's a similar deal for Las/Plas Razorbacks, Land Speeder Storms and Rifleman Dreadnoughts which don't have those options available in the kits, but the unit entries had those options previously so GW is aware people may well have converted them.

 

However, the Codex FAQ specifically states you can use the datasheets from the Index if they contain weapon options that the Codex doesn't allow any more:

 

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There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?

 

While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.

 

Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index). They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

 

So basically, you can still use any of the things you mentioned, you just use the rules from the Index with the updated points costs from the Codex.

[anarchistscourge]

Ah great. Thanks Halandaar, I only skimmed over the codex FAQ and thought it was that you can use the index for models that dont appear, didnt realise about the weapon options.

I should or really posted this before i made my Power Axe Honour guard......woops.

[Slips]

The FW Index also still gives you access to Mortis Dreadnoughts which can take dual Autocannons and the like.

[Halandaar]

To be honest it's not exactly intuitive, and you have to know that FAQ is there. Far from ideal for newer players, but then I suppose the intent from GW is that newer players will pick up the Codex and not have those options in the first place, as opposed to us old timers who needed the Indexes to accommodate our existing armies.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Well in the case of Forgeworld, they still sell twin autocannons for boxnaughts for both left and right arms, so it makes sense that a dreadnought config that can use them be included in their own Indexes, since that's where all Forgeworld products are covered. And given that their entire currently selling catalogue's represented there, that index is essentially going nowhere (though, neither should the other one be)