tau questions

[The_Chaplain]

Out of curiosity do the "bodyguard" pieces from the crisis battle suit box fit onto the chassis of the tau commander?  I am referring to things like the bulkier chest armor, the knee pads, alternate shoulder pad etc.  

 

Also, how does the size compare between an xv9 hazard suit, a plastic commander and the forgeworld shaso's (rmyr and ralai)? 

 

(I'm asking because I'm kicking around the idea of converting some tau at some point.  Playing them holds minimal appeal, but god do I love mecha!)

Edited August 19, 2017 by The_Chaplain

[Panzer]

Never tried it, but those aren't exactly "Bodyguard" bitz anyway. Those are supposed to represent the Iridium Suit (which is a total break with the fluff since the IS isn't supposed to be bulkier than a regular Crisis Suit).

 

Crisis Suits are noticeably smaller than XV9 and the Commander. No clue about the Forgeworld Commander variants.

[Oxydo]

I know for a fact that neither the extra shoulder guard or the chest pieces from the Crisis box fit the commander (the size difference is too much for both).

 

The knee pads should fit I think, but they are might look a bit small.

[The_Chaplain]

Cheers guys.  Thanks for the quick replies.

[The_Chaplain]

Okay, new question for the day:

 

Tau septs and their influence on color schemes.   Is there a particular reason that models like the studio ghostkeel and commander have a red helmet whereaas the fire warriors have the white? Obviously the red is the sept color, but does that motif carry over across all septs? 

[01RTB01]

Okay, new question for the day:

 

Tau septs and their influence on color schemes. Is there a particular reason that models like the studio ghostkeel and commander have a red helmet whereaas the fire warriors have the white? Obviously the red is the sept color, but does that motif carry over across all septs?

The helmet colours denote rank so for vior'la:

 

Shas'la - white helmet (firewarriors)

Shas'ui - red sensor vein (firewarrior leaders and basic battlesuits)

Shas'vre - red helmet and sensor veins (suit leaders or things like keel pilots)

Shas'el - red helmet white sensor veins (Subject commander)

Shas'O - red helmet and sensor veins, markings to match armour (white) (hunter cadre commander)

 

If not doing vior'la then replace red with Sept colour and white with armoire colour.

 

Hope this helps :)

[The_Chaplain]

 

Okay, new question for the day:

 

Tau septs and their influence on color schemes. Is there a particular reason that models like the studio ghostkeel and commander have a red helmet whereaas the fire warriors have the white? Obviously the red is the sept color, but does that motif carry over across all septs?

The helmet colours denote rank so for vior'la:

 

Shas'la - white helmet (firewarriors)

Shas'ui - red sensor vein (firewarrior leaders and basic battlesuits)

Shas'vre - red helmet and sensor veins (suit leaders or things like keel pilots)

Shas'el - red helmet white sensor veins (Subject commander)

Shas'O - red helmet and sensor veins, markings to match armour (white) (hunter cadre commander)

 

If not doing vior'la then replace red with Sept colour and white with armoire colour.

 

Hope this helps

 

Oh yes it does immensely.  One quick question- what is a subject commander?  I know what a hunter cadre is, but how does a subject commander differ?

[Panzer]

 

 

Okay, new question for the day:

 

Tau septs and their influence on color schemes. Is there a particular reason that models like the studio ghostkeel and commander have a red helmet whereaas the fire warriors have the white? Obviously the red is the sept color, but does that motif carry over across all septs?

The helmet colours denote rank so for vior'la:

 

Shas'la - white helmet (firewarriors)

Shas'ui - red sensor vein (firewarrior leaders and basic battlesuits)

Shas'vre - red helmet and sensor veins (suit leaders or things like keel pilots)

Shas'el - red helmet white sensor veins (Subject commander)

Shas'O - red helmet and sensor veins, markings to match armour (white) (hunter cadre commander)

 

If not doing vior'la then replace red with Sept colour and white with armoire colour.

 

Hope this helps

 

Oh yes it does immensely.  One quick question- what is a subject commander?  I know what a hunter cadre is, but how does a subject commander differ?

 

Shas'el only really exist in fluff and are rarely mentioned there either. There are even more ranks like Shas'nel as well.

For game purposes a Shas'el is the same as a Shas'o, just that he does what the actual Shas'o of the Cadre tells him to do.

[01RTB01]

 

 

 

Okay, new question for the day:

 

Tau septs and their influence on color schemes. Is there a particular reason that models like the studio ghostkeel and commander have a red helmet whereaas the fire warriors have the white? Obviously the red is the sept color, but does that motif carry over across all septs?

The helmet colours denote rank so for vior'la:

 

Shas'la - white helmet (firewarriors)

Shas'ui - red sensor vein (firewarrior leaders and basic battlesuits)

Shas'vre - red helmet and sensor veins (suit leaders or things like keel pilots)

Shas'el - red helmet white sensor veins (Subject commander)

Shas'O - red helmet and sensor veins, markings to match armour (white) (hunter cadre commander)

 

If not doing vior'la then replace red with Sept colour and white with armoire colour.

 

Hope this helps

Oh yes it does immensely. One quick question- what is a subject commander? I know what a hunter cadre is, but how does a subject commander differ?

Sub Commander- was a typo :)

 

Answer covered above :D

[The_Chaplain]

Okay, new question:  can anyone show me a size comparison between a Tau pathfinder drone and the burst cannons on a ghostkeel?  (Noone uses recon drones with their pathfinders around me, so I can't look at my local GW.)

 

Why? Because I have a crazy notion that if the size matches up that some plastic heavy gun drone conversions are in my future.

[jeffersonian000]

Pretty sure they are functionally the same size across platforms.

 

SJ

[The_Chaplain]

Pretty sure they are functionally the same size across platforms.

 

SJ

 

Well comparing the size of the drone to the recon drone in the top picture and then comparing them to the remora in the second picture- I went ahead and ordered a pair of recon drones and 2 sets of burst cannons to attempt a conversion.  I will post results in a WIP thread I'll be starting in this subforum shortly.  

[Trevak Dal]

With Tau colors, while the Sept color is often displayed, unlike the Imperium sometimes does, if they are fighting in a desert environment and having a bright green stripe wouldn't be great for concealment, they omit it.

 

If you got skyray turret part you aren't using, it can be an okay start to a remora drone.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Trevak Dal

[Beerson]

Never tried it, but those aren't exactly "Bodyguard" bitz anyway. Those are supposed to represent the Iridium Suit (which is a total break with the fluff since the IS isn't supposed to be bulkier than a regular Crisis Suit).

 

Crisis Suits are noticeably smaller than XV9 and the Commander. No clue about the Forgeworld Commander variants.

thats false, those bits do represent bodyguard suits (or rather their leader) the iridium is represented by the slightly "taller" chestpiece so it doest break fluff either as it isnt bulkier, it just extends higher to protect the neck a bit more

if you don't believe me just look into the assembling guide that comes with the suits

[Panzer]

 

Never tried it, but those aren't exactly "Bodyguard" bitz anyway. Those are supposed to represent the Iridium Suit (which is a total break with the fluff since the IS isn't supposed to be bulkier than a regular Crisis Suit).

 

Crisis Suits are noticeably smaller than XV9 and the Commander. No clue about the Forgeworld Commander variants.

thats false, those bits do represent bodyguard suits (or rather their leader) the iridium is represented by the slightly "taller" chestpiece so it doest break fluff either as it isnt bulkier, it just extends higher to protect the neck a bit more

if you don't believe me just look into the assembling guide that comes with the suits

 

I would have to re-read it when I'm back at home but I can't recall anything like that. Maybe we're talking about different bits tho. In my memory the bulkier bits are declared as Iridium suit bits in the assembling guide.

The Codex clearly shows Bodyguards without any special bits (except that they all have those kneepad bits used) either.

[Beerson]

Codex/index pictures can't be used for reference here as they basicly put "something related that looks nice" there

In the assembly guide you can see the battle suits leader wearing iridium and no legguards for some reason with the remaining special bits and bodyguard leader in fat suit with special pieces

 

Also it makes sense for the bodyguard to have bulkier suit while the iridium should not be bulky so they went with taller piece instead, also the taller piece is extra part as well so what it would be other then iridium.

 

Anyway I think this is great opportunity to give your commander different suit while keeping the iridium part for shas vre and I think giving your commander one of the extra shoulder guards on right hand could look cool as well, gonna try that as soon as I make duplicates (I want to use two of the iridium guards)

[Panzer]

Okay I'm home now.
Sorry to disappoint but nothing in the assembly guide specifies any part being for the Iridium Suit or for Bodyguards. However on their website they state that:

One model in the kit can even be built as the new, experimental Iridium-class XV8-02 Crisis Battlesuit - distinguishable by its thicker armour and aggressive appearance.

 

So unless you give me any proof for your claim it seems like I'm in the right here after all.