GK Librarian

[hairojin]

I like this guy as a secondary HQ to my GMNDK. I will be fielding mine in a Stormraven, providing backup and psychic protection for whatever else is in the Raven.

 

He is the only one in our codex that can take a combi-melta which is welcome as we are pretty low on anti tank shooting. I'm pretty sure he is BS2+ from watching the codex review on youtube.

 

I plan on taking Vortex and Gate for him, using Gate to better positioning him mid-game for Vortex. Imagine catching a vehicle with infantry squads close by and then finishing of the vehicle with a meltashot. I think the threat of this could force the opponent to spread out his troops.

 

Anybody else see a use for the Librarian?

Edited August 9, 2017 by hairojin

[Adeptus]

He is indeed WS and BS 2+

 

Still kinda hamstrung if you're playing with the Psychic Focus rule though

[Seizeman]

All sources indicate that he's exactly the same as it is on the index, and in that case he's pretty awful. 147 points for 2 powers is ridiculous, considering he's pretty bad in melee.

 

Voldus has +1BS, +1 WS, +1W, +2 A, a 4++ save, an aura and an extra power, cast, and deny, plus an amazing hammer. That's just 43 points more than a naked librarian, 26 more than a librarian with melta. I don't see how you can justify taking a librarian.

 

Also a single melta won't do much, specially on WS 2+. It does less than two wounds to a rhino, on average.

[Raktra]

Even outside of GK I'm finding Librarians hard to justify at the minute. I've booted my Deathwatch one to the curb in favour of a Stalker captain. Really can't see much use for them in GK anymore. Pity, really.

[Adeptus]

All sources indicate that he's exactly the same as it is on the index, and in that case he's pretty awful. 147 points for 2 powers is ridiculous, considering he's pretty bad in melee.

 

Voldus has +1BS, +1 WS, +1W, +2 A, a 4++ save, an aura and an extra power, cast, and deny, plus an amazing hammer. That's just 43 points more than a naked librarian, 26 more than a librarian with melta. I don't see how you can justify taking a librarian.

 

Also a single melta won't do much, specially on WS 2+. It does less than two wounds to a rhino, on average.

Librarian is 157, WS and BS 2+.

 

You'd only be buying him for use in larger games (3,000 pts plus, IMO) where you want multiple HQs and aren't sticking with the Psychic Focus rule. Also of course he has a Psychic Hood which might be a consideration if you're playing a psyker heavy opponent.

[Seizeman]

So they increased his WS and BS by 1 each for 10 points. That's, in theory, a good thing, but kind of forces you to give him good weapons to take advantage of it. With a hammer and melta he's just 3 points cheaper than Voldus.

 

As you said, maybe to fill the slots in a 3k game, but even in that case, Voldus, Draigo and GMNDK are more attractive.

[Adeptus]

From a crunch POV, yeah. I mean, if you remove the Psychic Focus rule then he's a bit more attractive, and I doubt I'd ever run Voldus and in 6 years of running Grey Knights I've never run Draigo, and I can't stand the NDk models (although I have a couple of the Dreamforge Leviathan models which I use as proxies)  so that thins out the selections a bit, lol.

 

I'm not a huge fan of using special characters since I really enjoy the lore/narrative aspect of 40K and I prefer to chart the tales of my own characters rather than those of the GW created special characters.

[Corvus Fortis]

Librarian might be useful against psychic heavy armies due to +2 to deny (with BoP). Combi-plasma near a GM will hit on 2+ rerollable, so it is possible overcharge it without fear of overheting. It can kill a couple of termies or strip some HP from a vehicle before charge. Not great, but has its place. Otherwise, most of HQ can do the same better. They really should give him more special rules. Librarians are even more powerfull psykers then their GK brothers.  

[Seizeman]

Well, you can use special character rules to represent one of your own characters, also their models are awesome and it is a shame to not use them (although you can use Voldus as a regular GM/Librarian).

 

About the NDK being ugly, it is the front carrier thingy that most people do not like, but it is pretty easy to convert it, to look like an enclosed sarcophagus similar to the dreadnought, and it looks really good.

 

Honestly he should be able to pick and cast 3 powers to be worth it.

[Adeptus]

yeah, I'm thinking about picking up the Voldus model for a conversion if I can find one for a good price, maybe run him as a character of my own creation.

 

These are what I use for my Dreadknights (with a few conversions)

 

[Godeskian]

A friend of mine who equally dislikes the NDK model is planning to used the Custodes Comtemptor, the sword and board variant as NDK instead. They're about the same size

[Seizeman]

A friend of mine who equally dislikes the NDK model is planning to used the Custodes Comtemptor, the sword and board variant as NDK instead. They're about the same size

The NDK is a lot bigger than the contemptor. The top of the comptemptor barely surpasses the NDK's hip.

 

In my case, I just used the top part of the teminator, and covered it with greenstuff so only the head is shown, and used a terminator standard to cover the bottom part, similarly to a loincloth. This way it looks a lot more dynamic and integrated on the NDK's frame.

[Godeskian]

 

 

A friend of mine who equally dislikes the NDK model is planning to used the Custodes Comtemptor, the sword and board variant as NDK instead. They're about the same size

The NDK is a lot bigger than the contemptor. The top of the comptemptor barely surpasses the NDK's hip.

 

In my case, I just used the top part of the teminator, and covered it with greenstuff so only the head is shown, and used a terminator standard to cover the bottom part, similarly to a loincloth. This way it looks a lot more dynamic and integrated on the NDK's frame.

Ah, I hadn't done the comparison and I don't actually think I've ever seen a Comtemptor on the table. I shall take your word for it

 

I actually really like your idea, mind if I steal it for my next NDK?

Edited August 9, 2017 by Godeskian

[Seizeman]

Well, it's not really my idea, I just saw something similar and made my own verision.

 

Mine is different from this one, but you get the general idea. 

http://hellblade87.deviantart.com/art/Nemesis-Dreadknight-conversion-428147188

 

You can find more examples of the same idea. Some use a venerable dread's front piece and it looks cool too. In fac there's a lot of cool knight conversions out there.

[Danarc]

Aactually I guess that a librarian is absolutely worthless. Too expensive, same number of powers and bad in cac. No reason to pick up one of them. All others hq are better, even Crowe.

 

yeah, I'm thinking about picking up the Voldus model for a conversion if I can find one for a good price, maybe run him as a character of my own creation.

 

These are what I use for my Dreadknights (with a few conversions)

 

Leviathan is too huge. It isn't a good option for a dk.

I don't like dk model and I modified using as body a inquisition dreadnought.

 

  

A friend of mine who equally dislikes the NDK model is planning to used the Custodes Comtemptor, the sword and board variant as NDK instead. They're about the same size

The contemptor is smaller than a dk.

[Adeptus]

Leviathan is too huge. It isn't a good option for a dk.

 

 

I have two of them, and they're almost the exact same height as NDKs.

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BSU7g0EbRLo/UzEry8b3YDI/AAAAAAAADlg/JnCSgkuMRv4/s1600/DG_Review-Leviathan-Crusader-15mm-45.jpg

 

Not mine, but you get the idea of the size comparison. They're a touch bulkier and taller, but hardly huge.

 

Oh hang on, you know they come in multiple scales, right? The 28mm one is enormous, like the size of a Warhound or bigger. The 15mm one is perfect for an NDK.

[Rurik the blessed]

Well, you can use special character rules to represent one of your own characters, also their models are awesome and it is a shame to not use them (although you can use Voldus as a regular GM/Librarian).

 

About the NDK being ugly, it is the front carrier thingy that most people do not like, but it is pretty easy to convert it, to look like an enclosed sarcophagus similar to the dreadnought, and it looks really good.

 

Honestly he should be able to pick and cast 3 powers to be worth it.

 

 

You mean something like this?  (my conversion)

 

[Godeskian]

 

 

Well, you can use special character rules to represent one of your own characters, also their models are awesome and it is a shame to not use them (although you can use Voldus as a regular GM/Librarian).

 

About the NDK being ugly, it is the front carrier thingy that most people do not like, but it is pretty easy to convert it, to look like an enclosed sarcophagus similar to the dreadnought, and it looks really good.

 

Honestly he should be able to pick and cast 3 powers to be worth it.

 

You mean something like this? (my conversion)

That is pretty awesome. Was it all done with green stuff?

[Seizeman]

Instead of using a dreadnought piece, I just used greenstuff and the plain simmetrical shoulder shield to make the casing and some power cords, so yes, very similar to yours but with smoother sides (more a one-piece casing than a full sarcophagus).

[hairojin]

To get the thread back on topic, I will try out the librarian a couple of times as a secondary HQ and if he's not worth it I'll probably swap him out for a champion to free up some points. I do think the librarian has a use, especially fielded in the way I wrote in the opening post. With the index I fielded a melta Inquisitor in the raven, and even with BS3+ he made a difference in most games. Grand Master is nice but only gets one power, rerolls I can get from the dreadnought stratagem since I'll have a doomglaive in the raven too.

[Helycon]

To get the thread back on topic, I will try out the librarian a couple of times as a secondary HQ and if he's not worth it I'll probably swap him out for a champion to free up some points. I do think the librarian has a use, especially fielded in the way I wrote in the opening post. With the index I fielded a melta Inquisitor in the raven, and even with BS3+ he made a difference in most games. Grand Master is nice but only gets one power, rerolls I can get from the dreadnought stratagem since I'll have a doomglaive in the raven too.

Still, that's a CP traded for a power. Powers aren't that scarce, whereas CP's are. I'm not trying to deny the idea, this really is food for thought :) .

[Rurik the blessed]

Why not take a Supreme Command detachment with 3 librarians and get an extra CP?

[Corvus Fortis]

Because you can do this with BroChamps, which are better in every aspect except number of powers, and cheeper?

[Adeptus]

 

Well, you can use special character rules to represent one of your own characters, also their models are awesome and it is a shame to not use them (although you can use Voldus as a regular GM/Librarian).

 

About the NDK being ugly, it is the front carrier thingy that most people do not like, but it is pretty easy to convert it, to look like an enclosed sarcophagus similar to the dreadnought, and it looks really good.

 

Honestly he should be able to pick and cast 3 powers to be worth it.

 

 

You mean something like this?  (my conversion)

 

That is a brilliant Dreadknight, that's what GW should have aimed for, instead of that stupid babycarrier! How did you do that conversion/what parts did you use?

[Dread]

I used him with Voldus the other night. Saved my Redeemer by gating it out of harms way from a brass scorpion, those things are brutal. However we're only playing PP games right now. I had good rolls for him thru out the game. My mind may change once we move to points base.