Codex Space Marine FaQ - Noteworthy changes for BTs

[Ciler]

So, version 1.0 of the codex errata/FaQ is out, and it has some impact on our armies :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/

 

At a glance, the following applies to us :

• Grimaldus' Unmatched zeal got edited to confirm that additional attacks are made with the weapon that rolled a 6.
• A tactical squad sergeant can now take a melta bomb, but a SB in a crusader squad still cannot
• The company veteran sergeant can take a storm shield again
• The ironclad assault launcher is (as expected) 5 points

Edited August 11, 2017 by Ciler

[Cryptix]

No, this is the exact same wording from the earlier FAQ to the index, and we determined it just meant units can get the buff but only the model that rolled the 6 can make the attack.

[Kastor Krieg]

What? No.

 

"Page 137 – Chaplain Grimaldus, Unmatched Zeal

Change the first sentence of this ability to read:

‘If you roll a hit roll of 6+in the Fight phase for a model

in a friendly Black Templars unit that is within 6" of

Chaplain Grimaldus, that model can immediately make

another close combat attack using the same weapon."

[Banjulhu]

The Grim on is debatable and could be read either as a model within 6” that is part of a Black Templar unit getting the buff or a model of a black Templar unit within 6" getting the buff.

 

I lean towards the latter because there is a much more grammatically eloquent way of saying the former, ie "... a Black Templar model within 6"..."

[Ciler]

I see your point. But we go from a wording that allowed no doubt (applies to the whole unit) to a wording that allows some doubt. Why make the change if in practicce it doesn't affect the use of the rule ?

[Aegir_Einarsson]

Kastor krieg. I understand This as a direct model roll a 6 in the unit that is 6 from grimaldus.

 

In helbrecht aura is directly said model in 6 " not a model that is in the unit that is 6" from grumaldus

 

Ciler i think that They write it becasuse some people roll a 6 on chainsword bur make additional attack with power fist for example.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Aegir_Einarsson

[Kastor Krieg]

I see your point. But we go from a wording that allowed no doubt (applies to the whole unit) to a wording that allows some doubt. Why make the change if in practicce it doesn't affect the use of the rule ?

Because editing text is the job of poor sods and sorry bastards.

 

Kastor krieg. I understand This as a direct model roll a 6 in the unit that is 6 from grimaldus.

 

In helbrecht aura is directly said model in 6 " not a model that is in the unit that is 6" from grumaldus

No, a model that rolls 6+ in a unit that is 6" from Grim. Edited August 10, 2017 by Kastor Krieg

[Aegir_Einarsson]

I thought the same, maby some poor english twisted the sens.

 

But directly that model that roll 6 can make additional attack

Edited August 10, 2017 by Aegir_Einarsson

[Schlitzaf]

We've been over this in an earlier thread it is infact a unit within 6" still, it just prevents "Initaite Joe with Chainsword gets a 6 now SB Jim with Fist gets to attack again"

[Ciler]

I thought the same, maby some poor english twisted the sens.

The meaning. And the issue isn't only in english, the wording creates exactly the same problem in french and spanish. Please mind that it's not just grimaldus, Canis Wolfsborn has the same wording used.

 

We've been over this in an earlier thread it is infact a unit within 6" still, it just prevents "Initaite Joe with Chainsword gets a 6 now SB Jim with Fist gets to attack again"

Could yo uprovide me a link to said thread, I must have missed that discussion. I'm only asking because I know people in my gaming group are going to want to use the most restrictive wording.

[Ciler]

On a positive note, I asked a german speaker and as far as they are concerned the german version unambiguously refers the 6" distance as applying to the unit. Would someone care to ask on the 40k facebook, I've already asked 2 questions today and don't want to come across further as annoying or needy >_<

[Kilamandaros]

It's definitely unit, was discussed and confirmed before.

[Gendo]

‘If you roll a hit roll of 6+in the Fight phase for a model in a friendly Black Templars unit that is within 6" of Chaplain Grimaldus, that model can immediately make another close combat attack using the same weapon.’

 

Think it's clear but didn't really need an faq as it was better put the first time.

[Stemplar]

Chiming in: It seems really clear. If the model is 10 inches away but is part of a unit that is 5 inches away, that model gets the buff.

[Ishagu]

The Grimaldus aura applies to models in units within 6"

 

So the actual model could be 12" away

[Firepower]

Yup, terribly worded, but correct.  As others have said, if it was strictly models within the range, it would be worded as Helbrecht's is.  This is simply a very poorly worded way of making sure that the model which rolled the 6 is the model which gets an extra attack.

[Ciler]

ACtually, there's another change that I hadn't properly noted which is actually the main reason for the re-wording which is that the additional attack is made by the model/with the weapon that made the 6 in the first place.

 

What about the other points ?

[Ebon Hand]

Weird that they gave the melta bomb to Tacticals and not Crusaders. Should we pile into our Land Raiders and lay siege to GW until they give us our melta bombs?! :D

[Aegir_Einarsson]

Maby we don't have MB because we already can take one melta more then normal tacticals

[Acebaur]

I'm not stressed about not having melta bombs. They can't be used in melee and are so short ranged that they are practically useless.

[Ebon Hand]

I could have used them on a Knight my last game! Honestly though, you're right, I probably still would take Hunter killer missiles over them.

[Firepower]

And that's the moment when Firepower realized HK missiles are only a handful of points.  Freaking hell I wish I'd known that sooner. 

 

Pity I don't have any space to stick them on my Ironclads.

[ONDIG]

But I wants muh Meltabombs!! Don't get me wrong the range is pathetic but if you got a few spare points having even that single sad Str 8 atk. Can be help especially when it sounds like vehicles can stand on their own 2 feet again.(in the case of dreads literally)

It's not really a huge deal but being I enjoy having the POTENTIAL threat of such an atk. Of opportunity .Ya know to keep the other guy on his toes.

Come to think of it can Scout Sgt. pack a Melta-bomb?If not we definitely need to pile in the LRC and storm GW !

Edited August 16, 2017 by ONDIG

[Sword Brother Adelard]

At the risk of being purged for a heretic. You could just play a shooty initiate only crusader squad and use the tactical squad crack? Then you get a melta-bomb.

 

But you would have to be really desperate for one to debase your warriors in such a way.

[Ebon Hand]

Yeah you could do that, but why? It would still be better to have a 5 man crusader squad with melta and lascannon or two Crusaders with two melta and lascannons than one 5 or 10 man tactical and the meltabombs.

 

Meltabombs on foot would be a nice option but not worth giving up Crusaders imo.