Kimbo Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hi! Im gonna play as the ultramarines and ravenguard....this is my take on the ultras! What do you guys think? Im new to battlescribe but i think i did it right! Battalion Detachment +3CP 939pts Ultramarines HQ Captain in Gravis Armor 137pts Boltstorm gauntlet, Master-crafted power sword Sergeant Telion 75pts Troops Intercessor Squad 100pts Bolt rifles Intercessor Squad 100pts Bolt rifles 10x Scouts 201pts (Camo cloaks) Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher (Stormraven Gunship 326pts) Twin lascannon, Twin multi-melta, Two Hurricane Bolters, Two Stormstrike Missile Launchers Vanguard Detachment +1CP 627pts HQ (Primaris Lieutenant) 74pts Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle Elites Redemptor Dreadnought 207pts 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod Venerable Dreadnought173pts Twin autocannon, Twin lascannon Venerable Dreadnought 173pts Twin autocannon, Twin lascannon Roboute Guilliman 360pts 1926pts - What can i do to improve and fill the remaining points? - how would you make it better, something im missing?! This is my first ultra list...all help is really appriciated! Kimbo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Note: scouts use snipers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4852925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 Nobody?.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 You're very light on the ground with infantry. Taking objectives across the board will be problematic. Your Redemptor should be staying still so he hits on a 3+. Also, how are you intending to use the army? The Captain and Lieutenant seem a little bit like HQ fillers? Firepower is good though. You'll hurt Marines at range. Hordes might worry you in objectives games such as Maelstrom. Over all a solid list I'd say but the lack of numbers worrys me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I run a similar core, however, I prefer 2 units of 5 Scouts and 10 Intercessors. The reason is that should Guilliman be out of range, Scions of Guilliman on 10 dudes is more effective than 5. In addition, two units of Scouts can be more flexible at blocking deep strikes and other deployment options of the opponent and infiltrate to more objectives. As Idaho mentioned, the Captain serves little purpose. You have Guilliman, you have two Stratagems that gives you re-rolls as UM. The Lieutenant is alright, since you have more hit re-rolls than wound re-rolls. If you want to those HQs, consider Chronus and a Quad-Las Pred instead of one of the Ven-Dreads. Got to ask yourself though. Do you need that many Command Points? Maybe take just 1 HQ and a Vanguard or Spearhead Detachment + Guilliman and get 7 CP, around 10 effectively with the UM trait. You also lack a bit of anti-elite firepower. You have LCs to kill tanks and Bolters to kill chaff. You do not have many things to kill Terminators, Nobz and so forth. The core idea is good though. I think you have too many vehicles/walkers and not enough boots on the ground. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with the list. Small things of note: - if I include 2 or more dreads, then I have at least one (sometimes 2) Techmarines. They're pretty cheap and can help fill an HQ slot. - Telion is good, but the scouts could use tweaking.... Cloaks help in ruins, but you could use some snipers in there which would be better in a 10 man squad (easier to stay in aura range) and really take out some characters from the opponent. - I love the Stormraven but in this list I probably wouldn't use it. I say this just because if at all possible I think you want to lower your drops and increase your chance of going first (even post FAQ it helps). The Stormraven can be a beast, but if it's empty I feel like you could really use those points elsewhere. Don't forget with the FAQ flyers can't hold anything. So as previously mentioned having some deep strikers would help. - Deep strikers... infiltration... as others mentioned I like to have a minimum of 2 very mobile and/or deep threats. I am loathe to recommend Inceptors because I have such a love/hate relationship with mine, but Termies are still super solid but need a little help usually. Those are just tweaks though. I really don't think there's anything terrible with the list. Kimbo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Don't waste the points on Predators with Twin lascannons. Too expensive and out classed by Venerables. A Predator Autocannon is much better with lascannon sponsons is a superior choice to Twin Lascannons, though that becomes a personal choice over the Venerables. I agree with dropping the Storm Raven if possible as those points can give you more infantry that you need in my view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I personally can't comment on the predator loadout or how it compares to a ven Dread. I've used a pred in one game and I honestly prefer Devs. I never looked back. Even missile Devs with the fat baby are really solid and I am not a fan of the vehicle limitations compared to infantry. I really wish Primaris had access to missiles. But anyway the other reason I take heavy shooting infantry is the 12" anti deep strike strategum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Indeed. Devastator squads will laugh with that Strategum. I can't wait to use it. I agree with the Devastator squad as the prime support unit for firepower. I would (and am) backing them up with a Venerable with twin lascannon and Missile Launcher and Lieutenant as a support structure to my Tactical squads advance. Larger games (2000pts) get 2 Devastator squads. Brother Captain Sirus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4855602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Thank you guys for the feedback! Ive listened to much of what youve said..this is what i got now... Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [558pts] **Chapter Selection**:Ultramarines HQ Sergeant Telion [75pts] Techmarine [61pts] Boltgun, Power maul, Servo-arm Troops [intercessor Squad [200pts] Bolt rifle, 9x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant Scout Squad [111pts] 5x Camo cloak . Scout Sergeant: Combat knife, Sniper rifle . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle Scout Squad [111pts] 5x Camo cloak . Scout Sergeant: Combat knife, Sniper rifle . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [627pts] HQ Primaris Lieutenants [74pts] . Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle Elites Redemptor Dreadnought [207pts] 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod Venerable Dreadnought [173pts] Twin autocannon, Twin lascannon Venerable Dreadnought [173pts]Twin autocannon, Twin lascannon Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Marines) [360pts] Lord of War Roboute Guilliman [360pts] 1545pts You said i lack bodies...I agree! With the points that is left,How would you make this a more optimized list? I want to use the dreads! Everything els is up for debate! The points im going for is 2k...so about 450 to work with..would love some tips...im.stuck... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4856190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Are you going Primaris as that influences my advice? Otherwise I'd say a couple Tactical squads in Rhinos could do you well for objectives and putting mobility into the army. Kimbo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4856229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 For sheer aura effectiveness: Dev Centurions Las/Grav. Or even more basic, Missile or Las Devastators w/cherub and an Assault Cannon Razorback. Bodies and blockers are good too.... nothing wrong with Tacticals either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4856422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 When you guys say go for tacticals..do you mean dropping the primaris for them? Or just add them aswell? In this list i can get 2x rhinos with 10x in each with plasma sgt and Heavy plasma and land shy of 2k..sounds legit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4856856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I meant in addition to though it depends what you want to do. Centurions are pretty good. Personally I'd keep what Troops you got and add to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4856944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 So...this is what i got thanks to you guys...think its good? I put in 2x rhinos to take more guys on he table!.. Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [30 PL, 538pts] Ultramarines HQ Sergeant Telion [4 PL, 75pts] Techmarine [4 PL, 61pts] Boltgun, Power maul, Servo-arm Troops Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 180pts] Bolt rifle, 8x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant Scout Squad [6 PL, 111pts] 5x Camo cloak . Scout Sergeant: Combat knife, Sniper rifle . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle Scout Squad [6 PL, 111pts] 5x Camo cloak . Scout Sergeant: Combat knife, Sniper rifle . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher . 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [57 PL, 1101pts] HQ Primaris Lieutenants [5 PL, 74pts] . Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle Troops Tactical Squad [9 PL, 171pts] . 7x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Plasma pistol . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun Tactical Squad [9 PL, 171pts] . 7x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Plasma pistol . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun Elites Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 207pts] 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Dedicated Transport Rhino [4 PL, 74pts] 2x Storm bolter Rhino [4 PL, 74pts] 2x Storm bolter [unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Marines) [18 PL, 360pts] Lord of War Roboute Guilliman [18 PL, 360pts] [105 PL, 1999pts] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4857064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I like it. Rhinos provide 2 more vehicles to choose between as opponents and grant you the ability to attack an objective with models aside from Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4857413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 Hi again! I tried the first list and it did well..I have some tweaks i want to hear your opinion about! So...new list..comments?? ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [39 PL, 788pts] ++ + HQ [5 PL, 81pts] + Captain [5 PL, 81pts]: Chainsword, Plasma pistol [7pts] + Elites [26 PL, 537pts] + Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 207pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers [8pts], Heavy flamer [17pts], Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon [36pts], Icarus Rocket Pod [6pts] Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Missile launcher [25pts], Twin lascannon [50pts] Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Missile launcher [25pts], Twin lascannon [50pts] + Heavy Support [8 PL, 170pts] + Devastator Squad [8 PL, 170pts]: Armorium Cherub [5pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [13pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [38pts]: Missile launcher [25pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [38pts]: Lascannon [25pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [38pts]: Lascannon [25pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [38pts]: Lascannon [25pts] ++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Marines) [18 PL, 360pts] ++ + Lord of War [18 PL, 360pts] + Roboute Guilliman [18 PL, 360pts] ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [45 PL, 826pts] ++ + HQ [9 PL, 135pts] + Primaris Lieutenants [5 PL, 74pts] . Primaris Lieutenant [5 PL, 74pts]: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle [4pts] Techmarine [4 PL, 61pts]: Boltgun, Power maul [4pts], Servo-arm [12pts] + Troops [28 PL, 543pts] + Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 201pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher [1pts], Bolt rifle, 9x Intercessor [180pts], Intercessor Sergeant [20pts] Tactical Squad [9 PL, 171pts] . 7x Space Marine [91pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [20pts]: Chainsword, Plasma pistol [7pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [34pts]: Plasma cannon [21pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [26pts]: Plasma gun [13pts] Tactical Squad [9 PL, 171pts] . 7x Space Marine [91pts] . Space Marine Sergeant [20pts]: Chainsword, Plasma pistol [7pts] . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon [34pts]: Plasma cannon [21pts] . Space Marine w/Special Weapon [26pts]: Plasma gun [13pts] + Dedicated Transport [8 PL, 148pts] + Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter [4pts] Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter [4pts] ++ Total: [102 PL, 1974pts] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/337952-my-first-ultramarines-army-list-2kneed-feedback/#findComment-4873894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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