Primaris-only Chapter's 10th Company?

[Pcm979]

Apologies if this has been asked before, I search. Anyway, I was pondering a Primaris-only Chapter in my head, and I ran into the stumbling block of who's in the 10th Company. Do Primaris Marines have Scouts? If not, what is in the 10th Company?

I tried to ask this on the official 40k Facebook page, but for some reason no matter what I do my question won't turn up as a Visitor Post. Facebook Support has been... Unsupportive.

[Stoic Raptor]

Probably Reivers.

[Custodian Athiair]

I saw a previous discussion that went with the logic of just field scouts cause Scouts are marines that aren't fully developed, so why not Primaris that aren't fully developed?

[Robbienw]

The fluff so far has been very vague on the organisation details of primaris only Chapters.  They dont have any Scouts like a regular or mixed chapter. 

 

For the moment i am assuming that a Primaris 10th company would be made up of basic intercessors squads full of new guys who dont have much battlefield experience yet.

 

Answers on a postcard as to what makes up a Primaris chapter 1st company!

[Shinespider]

There's no solid description of the organization of Primaris-only chapters, probably because there are several more units that will have to come out before the organization will really make sense. They don't want to give us a big, authoritative chart if it's going to be full of holes and omissions. 

 

For the moment, I'd go with regular scouts - who's to say that incomplete Primaris aren't a bit smaller?

[Colonel Bindoff]

Aren't Primaris 'born' full sized and ready to rock though?

[Stoic Raptor]

The lore says that they basically come out of the vat fully developed.

[Ordo Machinum]

I saw a previous discussion that went with the logic of just field scouts cause Scouts are marines that aren't fully developed, so why not Primaris that aren't fully developed?

 

Technically, regular space marines aren't fully developed Primaris. So, a tenth company of regular space marines!

 

Aren't Primaris 'born' full sized and ready to rock though?

 

There are Primaris who have served in chapters before getting the primaris process implemented. Some of them were from M30 during the Great Crusade, got the new implants, and frozen afterwards. 

 

The fluff so far has been very vague on the organisation details of primaris only Chapters.  They dont have any Scouts like a regular or mixed chapter. 

 

For the moment i am assuming that a Primaris 10th company would be made up of basic intercessors squads full of new guys who dont have much battlefield experience yet.

 

Answers on a postcard as to what makes up a Primaris chapter 1st company!

 

Aggressors! They are elite like terminators. Then again, so are reivers now.

[Frater Cornelius]

The lore says that they basically come out of the vat fully developed.

The ones created by Cawl are, aka the first wave. We have no idea how they are made by their respective Chapters though.

[Blindhamster]

as per codex space marines and the most recent white dwarf.

The primaris organs are applied to the human child along the process of making a full space marine. The first two are done very early on, the last one is done after the kidney implant.

So... bigger scouts as they'd still not have a black carapace!

[Frater Cornelius]

I wonder if Primaris Scouts will be a thing. They went out of their way to make mini and big Marines their own thing.

[Dez]

Aren't Primaris being put in the 11th company? 

 

I know I am working on a Primaris chapter, and had been trying to find organizational info myself. My guess is we'll see more kits and their own book soon.

[Pcm979]

Aren't Primaris being put in the 11th company? 

 

I know I am working on a Primaris chapter, and had been trying to find organizational info myself. My guess is we'll see more kits and their own book soon.

 

If you're referring to Decimus Felix in Dark Imperium, that was specifically called out as an unusual exception that only Big Bobby G could've gotten away with, and besides doesn't apply here since that was a case of integrating Primaris Marines into a non-Primaris Chapter.

 

Based on what everyone here's been saying, I think you're right; They'll be saving the answers to this sort of question for a later book. Since I'm the kind of guy who likes to be as fluff-accurate as possible, I guess I'll put my Ultima Founding Chapter at the back of the queue until then.

 

as per codex space marines and the most recent white dwarf.

 

The primaris organs are applied to the human child along the process of making a full space marine. The first two are done very early on, the last one is done after the kidney implant.

 

So... bigger scouts as they'd still not have a black carapace!

 

Does that mean that the pre-release rumours about it being possible for fully-grown normal Marines to become Primaris were just wishful thinking? That's a shame.

[Frater Cornelius]

You can upgrade a regular Marine. But at some point you will need to make new ones.

[Blindhamster]

You can upgrade a regular Marine. But at some point you will need to make new ones.

Other than one off hand comment, there's no evidence so far that an existing marine can be any more upgraded than an adult human can be made into a marine.

 

I hope eventually something happens to show it can happen though.

[Pcm979]

You can upgrade a regular Marine. But at some point you will need to make new ones.

 

Do you have an official source for that? I've been looking, but I haven't found one yet. Not in the Dark Imperium novel, the 40k Rulebook, or in Codex: Space Marines. Only the pre-release rumours.

[Macabre Slanneshi Prince]

Someone working on the 40k comics said Primaris upgrades were possible in the info they got from GW. Still no primary source it is, though. Edited August 16, 2017 by Macabre Slanneshi Prince

[Pcm979]

Someone working on the 40k comics said Primaris upgrades were possible in the info they got from GW. Still no primary source it is, though.

 

I'm a cautious fellow, so I'll wait for a primary source. Thanks!

[Ascanius]

It was also mentioned on one of the live streams.

[Pcm979]

It was also mentioned on one of the live streams.

 

Do you mean one of their Twitch ones? Is it still up? I might have to go hunting...

[Frater Cornelius]

It was the one where they had a first look at the new SM book.

[Blindhamster]

It was also mentioned on one of the live streams.

 

thats literally the only "real" source we have, and its not backed up by a single thing in print. Which sucks

[Stoic Raptor]

I don't believe anything that GW won't put in print.

[Lemondish]

 

It was also mentioned on one of the live streams.

 

thats literally the only "real" source we have, and its not backed up by a single thing in print. Which sucks

 

 

Not yet, anyway. Though we could speculate how it could happen, though at this point I think it's enough to say that it might be able to happen, but has yet to. 

 

Best to just leave it at that, I suppose. It may be possible, though it hasn't happened, but it definitely isn't impossible. 

[Blindhamster]

as i said earlier, it seems like it'd be as possible as making a full grown man into a space marine - something they couldnt even do during the heresy.

It may be that they can just add the organs later and it works, but we don't know either way.

I do hope it turns out there is a process they follow which works, as my own captain should be my old marine captain after being elevated, but for now i'll assume its a totally different chap.