karden00 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Of course he has different wargear... Apollo Creed wore the Stars and Stripes for the most famous battle he ever fought in. (He died there...) Does that mean he Only Ever Wore the Stars and Stripes??? No. of course not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just curious. So far, the Primarchs have had fairly concrete depictions post miniature release. Wondering is if it's plot-relevant of just artistic licence by the artist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I buy it more readily than the Lion's distressing beard and Sanguinius' leopard cloak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 just give me as much vulkan as possible sarcasm? Or just an honest wish "do you want to know more?" more more primach pov more primarchs chatting to each other knowledge for the knowledge god Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I buy it more readily than the Lion's distressing beard and Sanguinius' leopard cloak. The cloak's been around forever. May as well blame Blanche for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 just give me as much vulkan as possible sarcasm? Or just an honest wish "do you want to know more?" more more primach pov more primarchs chatting to each other knowledge for the knowledge god Indeed brother - federation salutes you. I buy it more readily than the Lion's distressing beard and Sanguinius' leopard cloak. The cloak's been around forever. May as well blame Blanche for that. Well - it was in BL hands to change it if they wished. But no - they did not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4879795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The Blanche art is excellent, yer all a bunch of crazies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 You know, in Blanche's version the cape doesn't offend me. In the Ruinstorm cover it makes me think, ironically enough, of Jaghatai's judgement of Fulgrim - trying too hard to be fabulous and overshooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The Blanche art is excellent, yer all a bunch of crazies. Awesome pic, had never seen it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Although I love the cover art.... can BL please start move away from the Salamanders already?? This will be their 7th Horus Heresy entry (not counting Shattered Legions content). Some Legions have barly had any page time, moveover. /rantSorry for being negative but its getting tedious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Promethean Sun, Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Old Earth... What am I missing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Promethean Sun, Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Old Earth... What am I missing? Scorched Earth and Sons of the Forge ... So 6? I obviously don't know this (perhaps ADB or Laurie could shed light) but I suspect the reason some legions have ended up with more focus than others is not down to editorial design for the series but more down to the authors being available or pitching ideas. If more authors had wanted to write about X legion and had a good pitch then we would have had more books on that legion. Clearly those pitches have to fit within an overall framework for HH but I doubt absolutely every single event that could have possible taken place during the HH was mapped out in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Promethean Sun, Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Old Earth... What am I missing? Scorched Earth and Sons of the Forge? Promethean Sun, Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Old Earth... What am I missing? Through both 'SE' and Sons of the forge are blank and horrible bolter porn as expected from Kyme and his take on Salamanders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4880583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 It's not worth a new thread, but I just finished listening to Deathfire and I thought it was pretty good. Nick Kyme isn't my favourite Horus Heresy writer, but I've liked both of his Salamanders novels. I understand the desire to see another writer's take on the XVIII Legion, but all the bitching and moaning about Kyme's work seems really churlish when we're talking about three novels (one yet to be published), three novellas, and a few short stories. Wanting to see another take on the Salamanders is all well and good, but the reality is that there's so few of them left alive during the Heresy that there isn't really a lot of narrative room for another storyline other than Vulkan's - and I'd rather see one writer carry that through in a relatively short period of time than see it broken up among three different writers over nine years, like the Dark Angels' standalone narrative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4881397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 My problem with Kyme isn't that "there are too many Salamander stories in the HH series" My problem with him is that I can't stand his style. He's bland. If BL authours were chefs, Kyme (and several others) are guys who don't season their dishes. Boring, flat, just blah. ADB, Abnett, Wraight (plus French and Haley at times) are Michelin starred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4881993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 For me Kyle and Swallow are equally as uninspiring. Their novels don't flow and are as you say... bland Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I get it, though I don't agree, but Kyme gets a level of vitriol directed at him that isn't warranted for an author who's just "bland". I guess it's a confluence of a style not everyone likes and the near-exclusivity of his use of the Salamanders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Subjective opinion alert: I'd forgive the language, the tropes and the lack of flow if he could write interesting, competent and characterful villains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I thought it was pretty amusing how Laestygon's scheming paid off, or rather utterly failed to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Promethean Sun, Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Old Earth... What am I missing? Scorched Earth and Sons of the Forge ... So 6? I obviously don't know this (perhaps ADB or Laurie could shed light) but I suspect the reason some legions have ended up with more focus than others is not down to editorial design for the series but more down to the authors being available or pitching ideas. If more authors had wanted to write about X legion and had a good pitch then we would have had more books on that legion. Clearly those pitches have to fit within an overall framework for HH but I doubt absolutely every single event that could have possible taken place during the HH was mapped out in advance! ADB previously mentioned that many narratives, factions, or characters had been "licked and touched" by certain authors early into the process. My guess is that those authors are ones that are prolific in areas besides BL and as such have been pulled away from working on those titles. As such, authors with more availability have been forced to/had the liberty of (depending on your perspective) working on Salamanders novel #7 rather than Death Guard #1. The downside is that Rogal Dorn expose has not materialized. The upside is that authors like Wraight and Haley (and others, insert your preference here) have been allowed to fill in the gaps and flourish. That's my guess, anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I get it, though I don't agree, but Kyme gets a level of vitriol directed at him that isn't warranted for an author who's just "bland". I guess it's a confluence of a style not everyone likes and the near-exclusivity of his use of the Salamanders? I try not to personally attack any authours...they all seem like solid lads you could enjoy a beer with That said, I do want to be honest about my opinion of their writing I did enjoy one novel by Nick Kyme. Fall of Damnos was enjoyable. After that I tried to get into his Salamanders stuff... Slogged through Promethean Sun, The Core (short story with NL anatagonists)...couldn't get through Vulkan Lives, wasn't too impressed by his EC stories either I suppose I am a bit disappointed Kyme, Swallow, and Thorpe seem to have monopolies over Sallies, BA, and DA/RG respectively. I like those all of legions, and it's frustrating to be unable to enjoy the output Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 b1soul'ADB, Abnett, Wraight (plus French and Haley at times) are Michelin starred.' - you made my day ;) As for the 'I suppose I am a bit disappointed Kyme, Swallow, and Thorpe seem to have monopolies over Sallies, BA, and DA/RG respectively.' - same here, same here. For me Kyle and Swallow are equally as uninspiring. Their novels don't flow and are as you say... bland True. Third time in 1 day I agree with you. End times are near Subjective opinion alert: I'd forgive the language, the tropes and the lack of flow if he could write interesting, competent and characterful villains. He could not. Cartoonish tweaking moostache doesn't work that way :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4882834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I get it, though I don't agree, but Kyme gets a level of vitriol directed at him that isn't warranted for an author who's just "bland". I guess it's a confluence of a style not everyone likes and the near-exclusivity of his use of the Salamanders? "She was venting now, Mount Deathfire, in all her fiery glory." I think that goes several tiers past bland, and is worth about 60 "swayed asides." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4883150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I get it, though I don't agree, but Kyme gets a level of vitriol directed at him that isn't warranted for an author who's just "bland". I guess it's a confluence of a style not everyone likes and the near-exclusivity of his use of the Salamanders? "She was venting now, Mount Deathfire, in all her fiery glory." I think that goes several tiers past bland, and is worth about 60 "swayed asides." 'Mother Nocturne help us' - not worth even 1 swayed aside (plagiatrism from the movie you liked (Avatar) doesn't mean you should pick a cheap cheat to finish the convoluted line you himself started (mean author)) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4883187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 "She was venting now, Mount Deathfire, in all her fiery glory." I think that goes several tiers past bland, and is worth about 60 "swayed asides." Brother, you got my back Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338223-hh-book-47-old-earth/page/4/#findComment-4883560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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