Grey Knights allowed Forge World Units

[DoomulusPrime]

Hey guys, 

 

Still helping my friend plan out expanding his Grey Knights, and he has asked about Forge World units that they might be able to take.  I see the units in the table of contents on the FW Astartes index, and i have read the FW FAQ, and i know i cant just replace the <Chapter> keyword with Grey Knights. 

 

DO Grey Knight have access to, say, Contemptor Dreadnoughts and such?  Any help would be great.

 

[RedemptionNL]

They do not. The only FW GK units are the ones in the GK section of the FW index, like the Doomglaive pattern dreadnought.

[DoomulusPrime]

Well, that's rather disappointing. 

 

Thanks for the info though.  

[Danarc]

And what about Xyphon interceptor? Some people bought it when it was available for GK and now it is no more available. FW said anything about this?

[Helycon]

It will need to be in a separate detachment.

 

The FW units a GK army can take:

 

• Vortimer Pattern Razorback: Twin Psycannon in stead of the other options.
• Doomglaive Pattern Dreadnought: Heavy Psycannon arm and Nemesis Doomglaive CC Weapon.
• Vortimer Pattern Landraider Redeemer: Twin Psycannon as a turret.
• Thunderhawk Assault Gunship: Can replace it's twin Heavy Bolters fir Twin Psycannons.

Edited August 21, 2017 by Helycon

[Adeptus]

Don't forget that Grey Knights can still take any "Imperium" units in your Grey Knights, it's a perfectly legal detachment you just lose your +1 to cast and deny.

[Gentlemanloser]

And ob sec. We lose that too.

[Danarc]

I never consider to lose OS and our only army bonus. FW should faq this. Xyphon should be GK available as before. 

[Waking Dreamer]

I never consider to lose OS and our only army bonus. FW should faq this. Xyphon should be GK available as before.

 

The GK army bonuses doesn't affect the Xiphon Interceptor anyway, it's not a psyker nor a troop unit. You only miss out on the re-roll buffs from Draigo and GKs. The real cost is sacrificing a CP to take it by itself in an auxiliary support detachment. Worth it? If you know you're going to fighting against an army that has 2+ flyers and or a lot of jet bikes and skimmers...So vehicle heavy Aeldari, Necrons, Drukhari or Tau - hitting on a 2+ while on the move with 4 lascannons is bound to dent something.

[Danarc]

Yes, I considered the auxiliary detachment, but with the few CP available I am not persuaded that could worth it. 

But from other point of view Xyphon for me is better than StormTalon. 

[Adeptus]

It doesn't have to be an auxiliary detachment. You could make a patrol detachment with the xyphon, an Inquisitor and some other Imperial troops (Inquisitorial Stormtroopers spring to mind) for +1 CP instead of -1.

[Gentlemanloser]

Stormtroopers still a thing? What list they in?

[RedemptionNL]

Militarum Tempestus. For 412 points you could get a Tempestor Prime and 3 10 man Scion squads with 4 BS3+ plasma guns each that can all deep strike. Add an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor to that and you've got a Battalion for some extra CP, bodies and plasma guns, things that are hard to come by for GK.

[Gentlemanloser]

Ah scions! The guys with the taurox.

 

Cheers!

[Atia]

 

I never consider to lose OS and our only army bonus. FW should faq this. Xyphon should be GK available as before.

The GK army bonuses doesn't affect the Xiphon Interceptor anyway, it's not a psyker nor a troop unit. You only miss out on the re-roll buffs from Draigo and GKs. The real cost is sacrificing a CP to take it by itself in an auxiliary support detachment. Worth it? If you know you're going to fighting against an army that has 2+ flyers and or a lot of jet bikes and skimmers...So vehicle heavy Aeldari, Necrons, Drukhari or Tau - hitting on a 2+ while on the move with 4 lascannons is bound to dent something.

 

Actually, you don't.

 

You won't loose Detachment wide rules if you take let's say, a Grey Knights Detachment, an Ultramarines Detachment and a Mechanicus Detachment all in the same army. You just aren't allowed to mix units from different Codices within said Detachments - the Codex never states you aren't allowed to take different Detachments.

[Shagah]

I have always felt kind of ripped that we don't have access to everything with "Deimos" in the title.  If they don't want us to have it, give it some other lost Forge World nomenclature.

 

Petty, but there you go.

[Adeptus]

Actually, you don't.

 

You won't loose Detachment wide rules if you take let's say, a Grey Knights Detachment, an Ultramarines Detachment and a Mechanicus Detachment all in the same army. You just aren't allowed to mix units from different Codices within said Detachments - the Codex never states you aren't allowed to take different Detachments.

Sure, but if all you're taking is Grey Knights + Xiphon, then the only way to include the Xiphon is either in it's own Auxiliary detachment (with -1 CP as a penalty) or as part of the GK detachment, which kills our chapter bonuses.

 

If you want to keep our chapter bonuses and the CP, you're better off taking a couple of extra Imperium units and making a proper allied detachment. I would recommend an Inquisitor and some Stormtroopers, as well as the Xiphon and whatever other Imperial goodies you think would be appropriate for an Inquisitorial led strike force.

[Atia]

 

Actually, you don't.

 

You won't loose Detachment wide rules if you take let's say, a Grey Knights Detachment, an Ultramarines Detachment and a Mechanicus Detachment all in the same army. You just aren't allowed to mix units from different Codices within said Detachments - the Codex never states you aren't allowed to take different Detachments.

Sure, but if all you're taking is Grey Knights + Xiphon, then the only way to include the Xiphon is either in it's own Auxiliary detachment (with -1 CP as a penalty) or as part of the GK detachment, which kills our chapter bonuses.

 

If you want to keep our chapter bonuses and the CP, you're better off taking a couple of extra Imperium units and making a proper allied detachment. I would recommend an Inquisitor and some Stormtroopers, as well as the Xiphon and whatever other Imperial goodies you think would be appropriate for an Inquisitorial led strike force.

 

True, either a normal detachment including an Inquisitor and some other stuff like Assassins for full on Daemonhunters style, or just a pure flyer detachment with Stormtalons/Stormravens/Stormhawks alongside your Xiphon ^.^