DA deathstar

[Indefragable]

Fraters of the Rock:

 

As an experiment, I'm looking for ideas with two concepts:

 

1. The craziest deathstar/bomb unit you can possibly build using only DA units

 

2. The craziest "realistic" version of the above unit that one could actually consider taking in a 2000-2500pt list (so the unit itself would probably run to be about ~1000pts on its own).

 

Thanks!

[MoK]

I was u dear tne impression 8th edition was supposed to do away with Deathstars?

[Indefragable]

I was u dear tne impression 8th edition was supposed to do away with Deathstars?

Depends on how you define Death Star.

 

Multi-faction ball of cheese (aka throwing Azrael nad Coteaz into a ball of Conscripts) = dead

 

Taking powerful units and milking the :cuss out of auras and such? = the new black

Edited August 24, 2017 by Indefragable

[MoK]

Powerful units aren't always possible though. Either they are too expensive or you can only take them in a FOC in that gives you limited CPs. Also when the DAs Codex comes out, we might not get any Stratigies or auras that give us Deathstars.

 

I hate Deathstars anyway.

[Indefragable]

Powerful units aren't always possible though. Either they are too expensive or you can only take them in a FOC in that gives you limited CPs. Also when the DAs Codex comes out, we might not get any Stratigies or auras that give us Deathstars.

 

I hate Deathstars anyway.

Sure. But that's not the point. The point is to theoryhammer one with what is available right now.

 

Thanks for your contribution.

[Kobrakei]

You're probably looking at 10 Deathwing Terminators with Thunder Hammers, 2x Cyclone Launchers tagging along with Belial and Asmodai at the moment. Extra attacks and re-rolling all misses is going to be pretty solid, and three damage per wound will bring the pain to anything.

[Knight Master Eladric]

You're probably looking at 10 Deathwing Terminators with Thunder Hammers, 2x Cyclone Launchers tagging along with Belial and Asmodai at the moment. Extra attacks and re-rolling all misses is going to be pretty solid, and three damage per wound will bring the pain to anything.

Don't forget the DW ancient!!!

 

In a previous thread someone said Azrael and a shroud babysitting as many razorbacks' as you can crowd around them was doing well in tournaments.

 

Personally I've used a different deathball to great affect.

Azrael, a few Land Raiders and a techmarine can go a long way. That was playing power though. Add on some hellblasters a company ancient and an apothecary for even more fun.

[Ciler]

For all your CC needs, don't forget the FW dread chaplain that gives +1S.

[dtse]

Aura-star is the new deathstar.

 

Can't get better than a dark angels parking lot.

[GenerationTerrorist]

Dunno really, but I'd go with a 10-strong blob of Deathwing Knights, a full complement of Champion/Ancient/Apothecary, Belial, Interrogator Chaplain and Librarian.

Then, somehow, find a way to deepstrike them near as possible to do all kinds of evil things.

[Helycon]

Aura's are indeed the new hotness. Since we have a ton of them, just slap together what looks good. As dtse said,the parking lot is a common occurrence for Dark Angels, but to me, it feels dull to play.

 

I have a Spartan, with 10 DWK, Belial, DW Ancient and Asmodai for :cusss and giggles. Pretty sure that can take on pretty much anything, bar titans.

[Lion El Jason]

Last weekend there was a reasonably big local tournament and one DA player had this list:
(I didn't see his list just saw the models on the table so this is just an approximation)

4 Rhino/razorbacks
Azrael
Darkshroud
As many dreadnoughts as fit.

The dreadnoughts weren't what fits in the points but...  what fits in the box made by the vehicles right at the back of the table.  Like a literal wall of rhino chassis touching the back table edge and 2 rhinos across.  In the middle was azrael for his 4++ bubble the -1 to hit from the darkshroud and all the dreadnought dakka.

Needless to say its just the worst idea ever.  This guy was the rules lawyerest player too and didn't understand why he lost all his games without losing any models (He couldn't do any scenario) although he was wiped out one round when he was reached in melee and couldn't manoeuvre anything to get useful models to counter attack.

 

So in answer to the original question:  Its not this!

[dtse]

Parking lot is very effective. Perhaps this guy is just a net lister and did not really know how to play that list.

[Lion El Jason]

How does it score points?

[dtse]

Killing things. Celestine. Scouts. And breaking out by turn 3 when your opponents army is mostly gone. Lot of time just tables people. Lots of ways of winning.

[Lion El Jason]

Just seemed bad, I'd like to see someone who knows what they are doing play it but in MoW I'd think you HAVE to wipe out your opponent and it doesn't seem likely.

[Interrogator Stobz]

We play with far too much scenery for the parking lots to really dominate, too much LoS blocking by far; but played well they kick butt.

[MoK]

It's all too beardy and WAAC for my liking. I get more than enough wins by simply playing a standard Battle Company. With each squad having its job. Troops Obsec, assault squads fight people, Devastators kill big things from distance. HQs give boosts to certain units so that they live long enough to do their jobs. Win by holding objectives, killing Lords and getting Line Breaker. Done. I have never enjoyed playing Deathstars and tend to refuse to play people who use them. Probably the reason I will never go to tournaments.

[dtse]

Parking lot came in 3rd in our recent 54 man tournament with all the usual meta lists in a format that emphasizes maelstrom so played well it can doninate

In any case OP wanted these lists that can fill a whole army so here is one lol

[Indefragable]

I appreciate al the feedback. I understand the lack of love towards Deathstars. My interest is mainly for comparative purposes, hence the first part being "in theory, what could you take" and the second being more realistic.

[[TA]Typher]

Spartan Assault Tank w/ twinlinked heavy flamers and extra heavy flamer on top.

 

10man DW Knight Squad with Azrael, A DW Champion and Asmodai

 

8 lascannons, 3 heavy flamers to hit hard and spartan to take the overwatch and deal d3 damage on 8 attacks with rerolls + 10 knights w/ +1 attack with rerolls and Azrae's beat stick and Asmodia to reduce LD = pretty much anything dead.

[Frater Cornelius]

From what I gathered Marine do best with a deathball that is aura buffed and supported by mobile units like Scouts to score outside of said deathball.

 

Having said that, the most ridiculous lists I have seen/faced are character spam lists. So annoying Oo

[dtse]

Mastodon

Leviathan inside

Deathwing knights

Belial and azrael

Techmarine

Apothecary.

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

Mastodon

Leviathan inside

Deathwing knights

Belial and azrael

Techmarine

Apothecary.

 

Can't carry Leviathans in a Mastodon. Largest you can get is a Contemptor. That said, I don't think you'd want to, anyways. That would deny you the opportunity to use the 20 shots of Str7 AP-2 D2  off that a Leviathan can carry into battle.

 

Most of the time Deathstar refers to a CC army, but with DA auras we can put our whole army into a shooting Sun Crusher. It's nuts what a Primaris Lieutenant+Azreal+Darkshroud can do for an army. Throw in a Libby for Aversion on big stuff for -2 to hit and you've got a salt mine. Knights standing still and hitting on 5s into 4++ invulnerables don't enjoy themselves much.

[dtse]

Mastodon says can carry anything with dreadnought keyword. Leviathan has dreadnought keyword.