Sun Reaver Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) Brothers, I have been very interested in the fact that there are now multiple chapters that carry Russ' geneseed. Has anyone come up with a primaris successor chapter? And if so, what are they called? What color is their armor? What makes them unique amongst the sons of Russ? etc.... How do you thing these chapters would operate? Or even feel about not being able to go to Fenris? Will they recruit away from Fenris to replenish losses? I believe the only cannon chapter, if you consider Dark Imperium cannon, is the Wolfspear. Note: I know some of you detest the idea of more SW chapters but please keep those negative comments away from this thread. Please. I want this to be a safe place where we can celebrate people's creativity and passion for primaris marines and SW's. Thanks! Edited August 25, 2017 by Sun Reaver Jarl Kjaran Coldheart 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochteas Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Honestly, I didn't really think there would be much of anything the Space Wolves would want to do with the Primaris, I did not know about the Wolfspear that is actually really awesome! I think crafting a successor chapter would be amazing experience and could have a lot of fun with it. Though fluff wise, I think one of the biggest differences they are gonna have is the Primaris don't have the shared experience of growing up on Fenris. They probably would need to pick another inhospitable planet that somehow a group of locals manage to survive and flourish and replicate the experience? I can't see them recruiting from Rus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4867773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) there's a lot of good drama to mine with this succesor chapters. most importantly, I think it enables people to be more creative with their Space Wolves armies. They don't have to fit within the 12 Great Companies and can explore something outside of that. Before everyone loses the plot with their Guillaman hate (which has no basis in the setting - Ultras and Fenris barely interact) and says the Wolves would not want anything to anything with Primaris... Logan Grimnar took a lot of risk to harbour the Wulfen. He'd welcome the Primaris to his chapter, especially if they are Fenris-borne like Dark Imperium states. And they need the reinforcements. Edited August 25, 2017 by Wispy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 most importantly, I think it enables people to be more creative with their Space Wolves armies. They don't have to fit within the 12 Great Companies and can explore something outside of that. We had that already, it was called Lost Companies and they are in the lore. Mine is a lost company and a few other have lost companies. We didn't have to fit in the lore of the 12 great companies and could pick and choose as needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) Lost companies have a tenuous mention in the codex at best. There's no examples. Some people want to be able to make a whole new chapter. Lot more wiggle room and freedom in that. Let them. Edited August 26, 2017 by Wispy Sun Reaver and Bjorn Firewalker 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
munocat Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I look forward to rebuilding my death wolves and building the spearwolves. I am now waiting for more information from GW on color scheme for spearwolves, been collecting minis for them. As for deathwolves, mine are is very fluffy, build around the how to paint space wolves and curse of the wolfin. Name characters, squads etc. Sun Reaver 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochteas Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Logan Grimnar took a lot of risk to harbour the Wulfen. He'd welcome the Primaris to his chapter, especially if they are Fenris-borne like Dark Imperium states. And they need the reinforcements. Logan Grimnar went to war with the the Grey Knights, the Red Hunters, and the Inquisition, to defend humans who he thought didn't deserve to die. Logan will do what he feels is right, literally everyone else be damned. Sun Reaver and Bjorn Firewalker 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Lost companies have a tenuous mention in the codex at best. There's no examples. Some people want to be able to make a whole new chapter. Lot more wiggle room and freedom in that. Let them. how is having a new chapter differ than having a lost company. I see no difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4868716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Great idea for a thread Sun Reaver! I haven't seen too many people talk about creating a primaris successor chapter for Wolves yet. I think we are waiting to see what fluff updates about the Wolfspear come along as well if our Codex talks about it at all. It's anyone's guess as to how any potential successors would operate. Some new fluff about the Wolfspear would give us some decent insight. But they also wouldn't be the only way a successor would operate. Some may care about Fenris and some may not. Some may recruit from Fenris and some may not. Although logistically any recruitment would probably have to be from somewhere else. Wolfspear are located at The Pit. I don't know where that is but chances are it is too far from Fenris to recruit new aspirants. I think Logan will accept Primaris. He does feel kinship to Wulfen and even that one Wolf Brother in stasis. I don't think he will have a problem with other Sons of Russ even if they are Primaris. And so far all Primaris with SW geneseed are from Fenris. But I don't think that is going to be a rule moving forward if we get any other successors in the fluff. Not that it matters for the sake of this topic After all, it is about creation of our own fan-created successor chapters. Valerian and Sun Reaver 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4869025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) Lost companies have a tenuous mention in the codex at best. There's no examples. Some people want to be able to make a whole new chapter. Lot more wiggle room and freedom in that. Let them. how is having a new chapter differ than having a lost company. I see no difference.Remember when Immerstrum was trying to design a more foresty, less crude/supersticious Space Wolves chapter (right down to a homeworld). It was well out of the vein of a Lost company, with everyone shouting him down that he couldn't do that. I didn't care for his his idea, but i think it's a sad thing the lore didn't give him the creative space to make what he wanted. Now he can. Lost comapanies are inherantly that... Lost. Cut off. Unsanctioned, no support from Fenris. No re-supply (so no new stuff). And you have to admit they are rather undeveloped in the rulebooks, with two tiny lore examples. GW isn't suggesting anyone make one and isn't telling anyone how to make their own, what with example heraldry or colour schemes like they do with successors. That there is no undefibed "openings" in the lore to design your own stuff (what with all 12 Great Companies and Wolf Lords defined) is particularly annoying. For me, To make a Lost Company and try to give them the same freedom of a succesor chapter, it makes players like me feel like they're intruding on the lore. You're not changing my mind, so no sense arguing with me. Edited August 26, 2017 by Wispy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4869090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochteas Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 The more I think about it the more I wonder. Sure the space Wolves Primaris can't take Apothocarians, but they can take Chaplains and Librarians. That's just so different from how Space Wolves run. I kinda have the urge to convert some primaris units into 'wolfpriest' and 'rune priests' so they have the Primaris feel but more in line with the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4869157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
munocat Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I was reading some where, that some of the ultmar founding primaris imperial fist marines remembered Dorn, before being put into statis, so there is a good chance that some of the primaris space wolves new Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4869175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 The more I think about it the more I wonder. Sure the space Wolves Primaris can't take Apothocarians, but they can take Chaplains and Librarians. That's just so different from how Space Wolves run. I kinda have the urge to convert some primaris units into 'wolfpriest' and 'rune priests' so they have the Primaris feel but more in line with the chapter. i don't think GW sees it that way. They just consider our Priests as Librarians and Chaplains with a different spin on them. Whereas we flat out don't have Apothecaries, the difference between Chaplains and Librarians and Rune and Wolf Priest are largely aesthetic. Our versions of psykers and zeal-and-fury-stokers. And they gave the Librarian the SW psychic disciplines... So you're at the point where it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck (hunts like a wolf, howls like a wolf)... It's a duck (wolf). I do however think what they're doing right now is a stop gap. We all know those Primaris Librarians and Chaplains don't look the part without some conversion. I suspect they likely plan to release Space Wolves specific versions of those Primaris characters, but wanted to allow us to have the option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4869872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hellion Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 If your looking for themes then check out Brother Bjorn Firewalker's Wolves of Catachan. A entertaining take on the wolf Brother lost chapter during the 31st millennium. Full story: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=205847 They also serve as inspiration behind my own home brew successor, strangely sharing the same name without knowing it at first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338616-space-wolf-primaris-successor-chapters/#findComment-4871534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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