Guardsman Bob Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 FW units still use FW rules and stats until they FAQ them to use standard codex stats. Therefore the Vulture's rocket pods are still heavies. It does look pretty dang cool with 4 pods on it though.Does FW do any sort of regular FAQ updates? If Chapter Approved ressurects for Christmas we might get some sweeping game reform in there as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Does a Valk carry one or two hellstrike missiles? It doesn't specify on the entry, which would lead to believe RAW it's just one, but common sense/RAI would say it's two since that's what's modeled Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Does a Valk carry one or two hellstrike missiles? It doesn't specify on the entry, which would lead to believe RAW it's just one, but common sense/RAI would say it's two since that's what's modeled One set of hellstrike missiles. The weapon is plural and it has one set which does one shot. It is weird, but i suppose both of the rockets hitting does the high damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 So in game turns the pair of missiles equal one 'Heavy 1'... Lame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'd disagree that hellstrike missiles are one shot. It doesn't say in the profile for hellstrike missiles (either in the Valkyrie profile or in the back of the book) that they are one shot. Look at the Manticore sky eagle rockets, deathstrike rockets and hunter killer missiles, they all clearly state in their profile each can only be fired once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I don't think anyone is suggesting that they are one use, just that they are heavy 1 for the pair of missiles rather than heavy 1 per missile. GodEmperorOfMankind and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yeah they clearly are NOT one use only anymore, it's just odd wording Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yep. They have 1 helstrike missiles, weapon profile for helstrike missiles is heavy 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Sorry if what I said sounded like I was saying one use. Heavy 1 would have been a better thing to say. You can fire them every round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4907692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Well took my air cav list to a local two day torney this past weekend came away with second placeThis is the list I took. Had 5 wins but still came second (lots of soft scores ) but the list was super fun to useAstra milltarum Regiment Cadian command points 7Battalion detachmentHqCompany commander, las pistol total 30ptsCompany commander, las pistol (warlord trait grand strategist )Heirloom of conquest Kurovs Aquila total 30ptsElitesCompany command squad 4 veterans, 4 melta guns, unit total 72ptsOfficer of the fleet, las pistol, total 25ptsSpecial weapons squad 6 guardsmen, 3 las guns, 3 flamers, unit total 45ptsSpecial weapons squad 6 guardsmen, 3 las guns, 3 plasma guns, unit total 45ptsSpecial weapons squad 6 guardsmen, 3 las guns, 3 grenade launchers, unit total 39ptsTroopsInfantry squad 9 guardsman, 9las gunsSergeant, las gun, unit total 40ptsInfantry squad 9 guardsman, 8 las guns, 1 plasma gun,Sergeant, las gun, unit total 47ptsInfantry squad 9 guardsman, 8 las guns, 1 plasma gun,Sergeant, las gun, unit total 47ptsDedicated transportTaurox, two autocannons, unit total 70ptsTaurox, two autocannons, unit total 70ptsFast attack3 scout sentinels, 3 missile launchers, unit total 165ptsHellhound, inferno cannon, hull heavy flamer, unit total 110ptsHeavy supportWyverns unitWyverns, heavy bolter, wyvern quad stormshard mortar, total 93ptsWyverns, heavy bolter, wyvern quad stormshard mortar, total 93ptsUnit total 186ptsAir wing detachmentVulture gunship squadronVulture gunship, heavy bolter, twin las cannon, two hellstrike missile,Total 200ptsVulture gunship, heavy bolter, twin punisher Gatling cannon, total 160ptsVulture gunship, heavy bolter, twin punisher Gatling cannon, total 160ptsSquadron total 520ptsValkyrie, multi laser, two multiple rocket pods, unit total 142ptsValkyrie squadronValkyrie, multi laser, two heavy bolter, two multiple rocket pods, total 158ptsValkyrie, multi laser, two heavy bolter, two multiple rocket pods, total 158ptsSquadron total 316ptsArmy total 1999pts Edited to meet board rules - Elmo No excessive points values in army lists or discussionsThis means that you may not post Army Builder print outs (or those from similar products) or fully detailed points/stats for your army lists. Keep it simple, such as "Chapter Master; Terminator armour, storm bolter, thunder hammer; 285 pts" or similar. Edited October 23, 2017 by elmo Excessive points values Guardsman Bob, Halfpint100 and duz_ 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrick Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 no FAQ entry for vendettas having the same Valkyrie's rules =( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 no FAQ entry for vendettas having the same Valkyrie's rules =( Well not yet the FAQ yesterday was done by gw as forge worlds lead rules writer passed away recently Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 How do we know which rules team handles the documents? Every update to the FW books has been on warhammer-community.com Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well took my air cav list to a local two day torney this past weekend came away with second place This is the list I took. Had 5 wins but still came second (lots of soft scores ) but the list was super fun to use ... Fast attack 3 scout sentinels 105pts 3 missile launchers 60pts unit total 165pts Well done oldmanlee. Even if those weren’t crushing wins it in no way diminishes your achievement. How did those missile launcher play out for you? It’s hard to break out of the LC/HB only mindset after so many years where those were The min/max options. With how terrible the multilaser is however I find myself suddenly opening up to alternatives for my dusty sentinels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well took my air cav list to a local two day torney this past weekend came away with second place This is the list I took. Had 5 wins but still came second (lots of soft scores ) but the list was super fun to use ... Fast attack 3 scout sentinels 105pts 3 missile launchers 60pts unit total 165pts Well done oldmanlee. Even if those weren’t crushing wins it in no way diminishes your achievement.How did those missile launcher play out for you? It’s hard to break out of the LC/HB only mindset after so many years where those were The min/max options. With how terrible the multilaser is however I find myself suddenly opening up to alternatives for my dusty sentinels. They where the mvp of the list to tell you the truth everyone just ignored them they just sat on a flank firing missiles at stuff The funny thing is I tabled 4 of my five opponents only got to the end f turn 2 in my minor win (but that's a long story ) Guardsman Bob and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338895-air-cav-tips/page/6/#findComment-4915717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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