Acceptable counts as? Conversion? Taurox Prime.

[MoK]

I do not like the models for the Taurox Prime, but I do like the weapons options. I am using Tempestus rules with Kasrkin models. So what I was thinking was using the Chimera models, which I do like, and then converting them with the weapons options for the Taurox Prime. I would of cause inform my opponent of the fact that they are Taurox Primes rather than Chimeras.

What do you think? Would you mind?

[Halfpint100]

It is a tricky one using chimera chasis as they are a both transports and very similar. It could work however, I would not have any issues with it, but other players might. Be careful with autocannon turrets since that is an option for normal chimeras. 

[Apostle of the 30th Host]

Sounds like a good idea to me! I wouldn't mind in the slightest - although I am very open to most things (you could field an army of green army men for all I care). Most important thing is you get the model you like.

 

Beyond that, I would recommend making it/them as visually distinct (of course, if you're only using 'Taurox' then its no issue at all as it is one blanket counts-as) from any normal Chimeras in your army as a courtesy to any opponent who might forget - maybe a variant colour scheme or spot colour/squad marking for differentiation purposes, or even some added details from the Vehicle upgrades. From what I have noticed in similar discussions, most people are happy as long as you have covered the two main points of going to the effort of modelling the Wargear appropriately and just running through any counts-as with your opponent before the game. You are doing this, so I see no reason why anyone would have a problem with it. 

 

Just try, if you are also using normal Chimeras, to make them as different as possible to avoid any confusion. I'm usually alright at keeping track of these things myself, but some people aren't (and some of those people may get upset about it if they can't keep up or lose as a result), so if you can make things a little easier for them by either only using the converted versions, or making sure it is easy to tell them apart, you're more likely to get a good response.

 

Other than that, I just want to see what you come up with! Stick some pictures in here when you're finished ;)

[MoK]

I'm not using any normal Chimeras, just Tauroxs.

The plan is to swap the turrets for Gatling guns. The Chimeras hull mounted gun will be replaced with Twin Hotshot Volley guns. Three of them will have Taurox Missile launchers instead of turrets. They will all have Heavy Stubbers. I will also remove the Las Arrays from the Chimeras hull.

[Halfpint100]

I'm not using any normal Chimeras, just Tauroxs.

The plan is to swap the turrets for Gatling guns. The Chimeras hull mounted gun will be replaced with Twin Hotshot Volley guns. Three of them will have Taurox Missile launchers instead of turrets. They will all have Heavy Stubbers. I will also remove the Las Arrays from the Chimeras hull.

 

I do not foresee an issue. I am looking forward to seeing these! you should consider a WIP project? so we can see pictures as you go

[Kinstryfe]

I always caution against using a model available in the list as another model because it makes confusion much more likely. It also can lead to moments of your opponent instinctively acting like it's a chimera, despite having been told it isn't. I would try to make sure it's a heck of a conversion, and not just a quick turret swap, to make the model scream "I am not a chimera!" as loudly as it can.

At the end of the day, most friendly players would likely go with whatever, but it's always helpful to do your part to make sure the conversion is incredibly obvious.

[Apostle of the 30th Host]

I'm not using any normal Chimeras, just Tauroxs.

The plan is to swap the turrets for Gatling guns. The Chimeras hull mounted gun will be replaced with Twin Hotshot Volley guns. Three of them will have Taurox Missile launchers instead of turrets. They will all have Heavy Stubbers. I will also remove the Las Arrays from the Chimeras hull.

 

Then all I can say is go right ahead.

 

- You have a solid plan for the conversion.

- You will let any opponents know.

- And you are only using the 'Taurox' in game, meaning there can be no confusion over using the same model for two different things. 

 

As far as I am concerned, you have gone well beyond any reasonable expectations (I would be happy with you just telling me what is what in regard to counts-as so any conversion work you choose to do is purely for your own visual and thematic preference).

 

In short: your money, your models, your theme; your likes/dislikes. Beyond just being a decent person (which I guess includes explaining anything that might be confusing, and being happy to remind an opponent throughout the game if they get stuck), I don't think anyone has any obligations to an opponent so do as you please with your models. Just let us see haha!

[WarriorFish]

As you won't have any proper Chimeras on the table that will help along with the conversion work, so as long as you've clear with your opponent before the game you shouldn't have any problems

 

Add me to the list of people keen to see the conversion too

[MoK]

Cool, thank you everyone. I better make them good conversions

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

I'm usually fine with things like this, particularly when proxying FW with similar models. 

 

There is only one issue that I foresee, and as I'm not familiar enough with 8th edition, is modelling for advantage still a thing? 

[MoK]

It's not really modelling for advantage. It's modelling because Tauroxs are vile looking things that don't fit with the Cadian look of the rest of my army.

[Mithrilforge]

It's not really modelling for advantage. It's modelling because Tauroxs are vile looking things that don't fit with the Cadian look of the rest of my army.

You Know i would have loved to have seen a 6 wheeled Chimera chassis as the Taurox with a sexy new turret... that would have sufficed GW ! 

 

good luck with your conversions, please show us them when your done !

 

cheers, Mithril

 

++EDIT++  OMG - epiphany  ...get a 3rd party Taurox wheel kit and attach it to a Chimera

Edited September 4, 2017 by mithrilforge

[duz_]

Im fairly sure those 6 wheel kits for Chimera exist... I just can't remember where from though

[TheTrans]

Im fairly sure those 6 wheel kits for Chimera exist... I just can't remember where from though

Chapterhouse Studios I believe: https://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=67

[duz_]

Yes that's the one!

 

Not sure what their current production status is though! I've heard murmurs about them being closed.

 

If anyone does hear from them lemme know I've been eyeing their storm raven extension for a while.

[Mithrilforge]

chapter house hasn't sold it for a while...

Although these guys make one... of which i'll probably get one for myself 

 

http://www.modelsandminis.com/Wheeled_Chimera_Conversion_Kit/p2965327_16967486.aspx

 

cheers, Mithril

 

++EDIT++

 

these guys in Russia sell what looks like chapterhouse's product...it's at least a month worth of postage time...some guy must have to put it on a pack yak and walk it across the steppes  and probably get someone out in the middle of nowhere say to him "Your papers are not in order"   you must wait a week for me to check them...   

 

http://all4wargames.com/product/wheeled-conversion-kit-for-chimera-1pcs/ 

Edited September 4, 2017 by mithrilforge

[CoffeeGrunt]

That Russian one isn't the Chapterhouse kit. The Chapterhouse stuff makes it look more like a Soviet amphibious vehicle what with the sloped hull. That one just looks like an IFV.

 

I'd say the wheeled conversion kit along with alternate turret options and a bit of kitbashing would look awesome as a Taurox. I'd accept it.

[MoK]

I was actually going to stick with tracks. But the weapons would be from the Taurox, the turret (which is the best part of the Taurox) will be from the Taurox and the missile launcher racks will be from the Taurox. I'm keeping an eye out on eBay for bits, as well as various bits sites.

[walter h]

Have you considered other choices as in  perhaps ww2,vehicles like the staghound that ,Elmo just built for the 711th CCAB(chocochip rats).Perhaps a half track either ,US,or German. you also have the new gun trucks.

Edited September 4, 2017 by walter h

[Mithrilforge]

I was actually going to stick with tracks. 

Sorry for taking it off topic with my light bulb idea for wheels, My bad 

yeah the taurox turret is cool as are the missile   Rocket pods (in my gaming group we never say missile launchers...cause everyone knows they roll one's )

what i want to ask is.... go do it now so we can all see !!! 

 

cheers ,Mithril