Waking Dreamer Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 At the end of the day this just might turn into a Smite grudge match. If it does come to that, it would be handy to save a CP to activate True Silver Armour on one of our GMNDKs to endure Morty's "smite aura" as he closes in for close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4881694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Ah i see where i went wrong. :) Prot, reroll 1's to DR? Saves and FnP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4881806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing...Yay! Pox Walkers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4881922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing... Yay! Pox Walkers... <_< Well it seems DG have a way to mitigate having the enemy army simply aim all their lascannons, heavy psycannons and psilencers at big Morty before he moves into combat range. It costs them a CP though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4881994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Astral aim. If you don't see them you can shoot to anyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagah Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing... Yay! Pox Walkers... Well it seems DG have a way to mitigate having the enemy army simply aim all their lascannons, heavy psycannons and psilencers at big Morty before he moves into combat range. It costs them a CP though. Will only work on Morty if he is Infantry, which I assumed he wasn't as a LOW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing... Yay! Pox Walkers... <_< Well it seems DG have a way to mitigate having the enemy army simply aim all their lascannons, heavy psycannons and psilencers at big Morty before he moves into combat range. It costs them a CP though. Will only work on Morty if he is Infantry, which I assumed he wasn't as a LOW They would use it on a unit of infantry in front of Magnus, then you MUST shoot at them instead of Mortarion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Pox Walkers are ridiculously slow though, so if you want Mortarion in combat, he'll need to stay behind them, costing you precious time to get into combat. Since Storm Bolters are pretty good at mowing down Pox Walkers, it should be fine anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I don't think Poxwalker speed has ever been an issue. When I play against DG there is always (except in funsy lists) a detachment with Warp Time. Move, advance, Warp Time, move, assault ( or advance) that's what I usually see with Typhus advancing behind. What's goofy about this is the Psuedo invisibility basically I believe it forces you to treat infantry like a character. Now we have the Blight Hauler. So we will see 2+ save Plague marines advancing with 18" rapid fire plasma and the Blight hauler also seems to have decent fire support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 They may lose the ability to Warp Time though. DG get their own discipline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing... Yay! Pox Walkers... Well it seems DG have a way to mitigate having the enemy army simply aim all their lascannons, heavy psycannons and psilencers at big Morty before he moves into combat range. It costs them a CP though. Will only work on Morty if he is Infantry, which I assumed he wasn't as a LOW They would use it on a unit of infantry in front of Magnus, then you MUST shoot at them instead of Mortarion. You choose one unit which you can't shoot at, except if they're the nearest visible unit. And no, Mortarion is NOT infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Apparently this is a thing... Yay! Pox Walkers... <_< Well it seems DG have a way to mitigate having the enemy army simply aim all their lascannons, heavy psycannons and psilencers at big Morty before he moves into combat range. It costs them a CP though. Will only work on Morty if he is Infantry, which I assumed he wasn't as a LOW They would use it on a unit of infantry in front of Magnus, then you MUST shoot at them instead of Mortarion. You choose one unit which you can't shoot at, except if they're the nearest visible unit. And no, Mortarion is NOT infantry. Oops. Brain fart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeskian Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 And GW has released details of a bodyguard unit who can take wounds for mortarion on a 2+. Killing that crusty old festering sore is going to be a challenge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seizeman Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Those bodyguard cost 75 points a piece and have only 2 wounds and a 4" movement stat, so I don't think they will be bodyguarding Mortarion much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 They'll stop an alpha smite strike though. If morty isn't bubbled by pox walkers anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 And GW has released details of a bodyguard unit who can take wounds for mortarion on a 2+. Killing that crusty old festering sore is going to be a challenge Those bodyguard cost 75 points a piece and have only 2 wounds and a 4" movement stat, so I don't think they will be bodyguarding Mortarion much. Are you guys talking about the Deathshroud Terminators? I read in melee they have 3A S8 Dmg-D3 (assuming they have no -1 To Hit penalty from their weapon). Defensively they are T5 2+/4++/5+++. So I'm thinking say 3 of these DS Termies against our Paragon with DaemonHammer and 2 more Paladins armed with Halberds (better against their T5 yes?), how well would they do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It will depend almost entirely on who strikes first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeskian Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 They'll stop an alpha smite strike though. If morty isn't bubbled by pox walkers anyway. Yup, any opponent who understands how to manoeuvre for advantage will be able to figure this one out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 They'll stop an alpha smite strike though. If morty isn't bubbled by pox walkers anyway. True, but I don't think it would make me terribly sad. I mean, you deal 3 mortal wounds to Morty, he palms them off to his bodyguards, and you kill all three of them after the second smite. And you've taken out 225 points worth of models. For two smites. Or maybe three, depending on how the Disgustingly Resilient rule stacks with the Bodyguard rule. I think the take away is that Mortarion has to be very careful with everything he does when playing against Grey Knights, as we have a lot of tools that can hurt him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyNidus Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Off the top of my head? Lascannons, Autocannons, long ranged firepower to soften him up. Force him to come forward to deal with it where you can have other units in place for smite spam and force weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 While Im not a particular fan of Chaos armies, I'm really liking all the models and rules for the new DG. It actually gets me pumped for our own GKs and hyped to eventually face them on the table! Codex vs Codex! Daemon hunters vs Daemon worshippers! Even for GKs they should be a challenging army to face since last time we took on Mortarion and his Death Guard it took no less than 5 GK Brotherhoods assembled, just as many Grandmasters and the loss of the then, Supreme Grand Master with his entire Paladin retinue by Mortarion's hands alone... Reading through our codex again, I noticed the section about GKs and the use of True Names as our most powerful arsenal against the Daemon. Interestingly, in the lore Kaldor Draigo should be the only one in the Imperium who knows Mortarion's True Name and still be capable to use it against him. It would be amazing if he got a special rule to reflect that aspect in some way on the table, if you ever manage to put him up against the Daemon Primarch! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4882871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Best way to deal with Morty? Electo Priests and thier mortal wound on a to wound of 6 strat. Make your own 'Titan' forgeworld and fluff it as ad mech support to the GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4883726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagah Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Best way to deal with Morty? Electo Priests and thier mortal wound on a to wound of 6 strat. Make your own 'Titan' forgeworld and fluff it as ad mech support to the GK. It's called Deimos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4885345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Brain fart! Knew we had one! ;) I bet Deimos doesn't have is own rules in the ad mech codex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4885351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Electro-Priests would also excel at murdering Poxwalkers, due to the insane amount of shots they can output. Sadly, 40k Mechanicum still don't believe in transports, and they can't ride in ours so they'll get picked off at range :( Purifiers might be the way to go against Mortarion. You'll need a Raven to deliver them, but two Purifying Flames and a Vortex to the face (from their Brother-Captain following them around) should help soften him up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339071-the-best-way-for-grey-knights-to-deal-with-mortarion/page/3/#findComment-4886125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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