Spectral Bob Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I am newly subscribed to B&C, although I have been a guest reader for several years. I am starting my first Primaris based army and wanted to reach out to the Raven Guard community for some assistance. I am painting my army as the Death Spectres Chapter. I have the standard color scheme down (i.e. intercessors), however I am having some difficulty finding information on how to paint the more specialized/command units. I have never played a Raven Guard army before, having primarily played SW and BA exclusively. Can anyone offer any resources that would describe how to paint/differentiate the various specialists and/or command units? Specifically, how would Death Spectres identify Sergeants, Veterans, Veteran Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains, and units such as Inceptors, Hellblasters and Reivers. I would also be interested to hear anyone's opinions or ideas relevant to this topic. Thank you in advance. -Bob duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxydo Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 The Codex Astartes has this for marking our sergants and the like. Race Bannon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrowkyn Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 40k http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/attachments/forces-imperium/30937d1372094886-original-chapters-successors-raven-guard-colour-scheme-2.jpg 30k http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0f/RG_Legion_Tact_Markings.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140413200125 ONDIG 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filius Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I can hardly add anything to the topic except: They are your Dudes, paint them how you like them. But I guess you know that already. I personally don't like the Raven Guard's white Arms and Helmets. You can hardly say: Oh, we paint our armour black, because stealth and such, and then paint 1/3rd of it white. Plus, I think the Terminators look much more badass in pure black. But that's my opinion. The reason I comment here, is, I am curious: What made you leave you Wolves and Angels behind an switch to the Raven Guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulltramarine Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I am curious: What made you leave you Wolves and Angels behind an switch to the Raven Guard? I don't even need to know why, Raven Guard are just a superior Space Marine thewarriorhunter 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Welcome to the Ravenspire! Death Spectres, eh? For resources, I would start with Lexicanium and Warhammer 40K Wikia. A Google search for "Death Spectres Chapter" will lead you to those pages. There is also a YouTube duo that does a "40K Facts" series and they did one for the Death Spectres. I've watched several of those series and appreciate their research into the topic of choice. I have not watched the one for this Chapter, but am confident they will have stuff that will help you. If I had to make decisions then it would go like this: They are Codex compliant, so follow the Ultramarine method of rank designation: * Red helmets for Seargents, Red+white stripe helmets for Vet Sergeants, etc. * What I would deviate from the Codex, and thus follow their parent Chapter, is to use Company designation on the right shoulder trim only. * Terminators follow their PA brothers with the white (bone?) helmet with white right shoulder pad for the Chapter sigil. * As discussed elsewhere, specialists like Techmarines, Librarians and Apothecaries do not need their whole armor to be red, blue and white respectively. So here is where you could really show some individuality ^_^ * Vehicles may likely have a section or plate that is white for the Chapter sigil, where the rest is black. * HQ/Veteran cloaks/capes/tabards would certainly be a dirty white (bone?) in my minds' eye. All this leads to having a very limited color palate: Black and white/bone. So, any other colors would be sparse to make that thing stand out (see Specialists note above). There you go :tu: But, as was said before, make it yours. You are the one to put paint on models and look at them more than anyone else. So, they have to look good to *you* first or foremost. Share pics yo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 40k http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/attachments/forces-imperium/30937d1372094886-original-chapters-successors-raven-guard-colour-scheme-2.jpg 30k http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0f/RG_Legion_Tact_Markings.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140413200125 I don't think that's accurate, right? Because the shoulder trim is for company, not role. But I echo the sentiment of those here - do what you want! I'm personally leaning towards using some of the 30k markings with my Primaris - they're already structured heavily like the Legions, so why not mark them as such. It's also the only way I can get transfers - FW. Edited September 8, 2017 by Lemondish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 In the pic above, it must have been made after the 3rd edition article where the shoulder trim did signify squad type. It was a dark time for the Raven Guard in that regard :P Shrieker 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectral Bob Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Thank you for all the responses. I enjoy reading a variety of input. I believe, after considering the information everyone has shared, that I am leaning a bit along the lines Race Bannon suggested. I think that I want the DS to be a bit more Codex compliant than their parent Chapter. That being said, I also want to showcase the base color scheme as much as possible, therefore I think I will use a red stripe to identify sergeants instead of an entire red helmet. With regards to the veterans however, I am still at a bit of an impasse. The base scheme already incorporates a bone white helmet. To go to a full White helmets seems somewhat underwhelming, although I must admit I don't have a better option at the moment. Here is a photo of my first test mini using the Death Spectres baseline color scheme, with a stripe on the right knee pad denoting the company color. http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah294/SpectralBob/WP_20170908_08_07_11_Pro202_zpssq7elafb.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Photobucket is not allowing to see pics :( As for Veterans, I would use the right shoulder pad trim as white. Alternatively, the squad marking on the pad would show their Veteran status as well :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4880929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Perhaps picking an accent color to pair with the Bone White helm to indicate rank is a better route to go as well. Red would be the most common, but you could always go a derivative (Purple for example). If you want to adhere to the codex you might have to start with a black stripe and then smaller accent stripe on top. Much the way they have a blue helm, white stripe, red accent stripe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4881121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) You should use a different image host instead of Photobucket so we can see it. I'm eager to see your work. Edited September 9, 2017 by Lemondish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4881486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 B&C image gallery is free for members to host pics posted here! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4881515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectral Bob Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Ok lesson learned, photobucket is a bucket of *%#^.... Hopefully these photos will work better. The sergeant was painted before I posted this topic, so I have not yet updated the paint scheme to reflect his sergeant markings. http://bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13732/gallery_101503_13732_328576.jpg http://bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13732/gallery_101503_13732_210645.jpg duz_ and NiceGuyAdi 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4881941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Yaaaas! That's the stuff. Next up, Land Raider :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4881951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Nice work!Also one of the handy features of the B&C gallery is if you goto the "Options" button there is a selection there for "Share Links" which even give you the BBcode so you can copy and paste them into your posts and have them embedded :) :tu: SanguinaryGuardsman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4883985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONDIG Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 EPIC! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4885802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 The guy without the helmet looks like a badass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339160-new-to-bc-need-help-from-raven-guard-players/#findComment-4885928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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