DukeLeto69 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I haven't played 40k since the mid 90s but still always buy the rule book, codexes and campaign books because I love the lore/fluff. So a question for you all - how much background fluff is in the 8th edition rule book and codexes? I ask because some of the later 7th edition codexes started to get a bit thin on the ground for background material so didn't appeal to me as much. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Moved to Amicus as this is neither a news, rumour, or announcement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyros Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I haven't done an in-depth analysis but between 7th and 8th edition the fluff is about the same, with minor additions about the final events of the last edition, like the fall of Cadia, the primarch awakening, the devastation of Baal. Not too many details though, I guess they keep them for the novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I wish that they would do a book like visions of heresy but for 40k. DukeLeto69 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo1701 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) Can a Mod Delete this please? It was emptied of it's content by the scrap-code and I can't remember what I had posted now. Edited September 10, 2017 by Damo1701 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The CSM book seemed to have some new stuff compared to the 7th ed one. Some bits are just 'what X has been up to since the Gathering Storm' but it has individual timelines of significant events for each legion and a few references to heresy background from the FW books too, which I don't recall from the 7th ed. book. Much better layout and art as well, the profiles of individual warriors no longer look like colouring book samples. DukeLeto69 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic_slug Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I think the fluff has been reduced some compared to prior editions. Consider the newest Marine codex - in a 6/7th codex, each unit got its own fluff page and picture or art at least. But for example, in the new Marine book, all five types of dreadnought available are covered in just two pages, And a fair amount of that is taken up by art. Other units got a similar treatment this edition. And things have gotten looser date wise for the fluff, too. In the past, GW frequently gave a specific date for an event in the timelines. Now stuff is in the new 'it sort of happened around then, maybe' Dark Imperium style. Makes it tougher to compare. DukeLeto69 and N1SB 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) So a question for you all - how much background fluff is in the 8th edition rule book and codexes? I agree with Brother Totalfailure, the rulebook and codices carry fewer details, and when they do it's still very abstract. Instead, the background fluff, especially the "Plot Is Advancing" content, are hidden in other books: - the Gathering Storm Books I, II, III released Jan to March this year. Had great points of info, but lots of filler between each - the Dark Imperium novel (linked, because it can get confused for the boxset: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/dark-imperium-the-last-faithful-son-ebook.html ) A very telling experience - I read my friend's Space Marines codex for any information on Primaris Marines. Found very little. Then I read Dark Imperium, even though I wasn't an Ultramarines player. Found much more information about Primaris Marines, how they live, how they're even organised, in Dark Imperium. Dark Imperium is like a setting book for the current state of the Imperium, that happens to be connected via a meta-plot. Edited September 11, 2017 by Not 1 Step Backwards DukeLeto69 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The 8th edition books so far (rulebook, Dark Imperium inserts, new codexes) have been extremely disappointing from a fluff point of view. If I was looking to buy them for the lore provided only I would have passed on them tbh. There are some nuggets in there, but if I hadn't read Dark Imperium (the novel) I wouldn't have known that much had happened post Gathering Storm. The lack of background on the Primaris is especially annoying noting they are the big push this edition. Likewise, the elimination of specific dates within the fluff has affected my enjoyment of the lore more than I thought it would (or should) considering it's just the end point of a pattern GW has been working towards since 6th edition when they first started dropping dates. I don't expect, or want, a date attached to Guilliman's every movement (maybe I should rephrase that lol) but important battles and events should not be shaded the way they now are. N1SB and DukeLeto69 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4882698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'm good with the dates being in question. From the standpoint that our own real world dating system is questionable. It's based on a specific event that occurred 2,018 years ago. It is accepted by pretty much everyone, but if you look at it objectively there is no real way to verify that the event occurred exactly then (or that it happened at all). Since our own dating system is suspect, it seems more than reasonable that dates would be skewed with an additional 38,000 years tacked on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4883287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Everything has a bunch of new fluff. SM and GK Codex, as well as rulebook and Dark Imperium novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4883292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Of War Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'm good with the dates being in question. From the standpoint that our own real world dating system is questionable. It's based on a specific event that occurred 2,018 years ago. It is accepted by pretty much everyone, but if you look at it objectively there is no real way to verify that the event occurred exactly then (or that it happened at all). Since our own dating system is suspect, it seems more than reasonable that dates would be skewed with an additional 38,000 years tacked on. And thats not even bringing in things like the hypothesis that the Dark Ages didn't happen. Given the sheer scale of both the Imperium and the timeframes being talked about, you're absolutely right. In fact i'd say it would be far more unbelievable if the dates used were correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4883296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Moderati - oops sorry thanks for moving. Brothers - thanks for the replies much appreciated. Sounds like someone like me who only wants the Lore should possibly skip buying codexes for this edition (shame). Edited September 11, 2017 by DukeLeto69 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4883332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic_slug Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Moderati - oops sorry thanks for moving. Brothers - thanks for the replies much appreciated. Sounds like someone like me who only wants the Lore should possibly skip buying codexes for this edition (shame). My personal opinion - you'd get more out of reading the Dark Imperium novel than any of the 8th rule books or codexes. DukeLeto69 and Felix Antipodes 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339230-question-on-new-rule-book-and-codexes/#findComment-4883387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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