Sete Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Having read both. It's still bad. This book in no way improves the low quality fluff of GS. Now it expands on certain events, and Chris Wraight did a bloody good work on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4893577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 To be fair...GS is codex-level writing. Most of it should be fleshed out in subsequent novels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4893951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 This book is entirely awesome, had to read it all the way through in one go as i couldn't put down! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So to confirm... Carrion Throne and Emperor's Legion are the first books in two series (Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne respectively), right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So to confirm... Carrion Throne and Emperor's Legion are the first books in two series (Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne respectively), right? Seems so. "Series...Series everywhere..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 So to confirm... Carrion Throne and Emperor's Legion are the first books in two series (Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne respectively), right? Where did you find that out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I think from now on, whenever someone trots out 'all the Gathering Storm fluff is bad' they need to be linked to this book and told they're wrong. That was bloody awesome. Dragonlover GS was a piece of utter trash, born from abortion of GW sewers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 This book is entirely awesome, had to read it all the way through in one go as i couldn't put down! It is complicated. It is much more frustrating than a more straightforward Carrion Throne. This one is too constricted for it's own good. Instead of being more universal (3 characters across the Galaxy with the Terra as a Nexus point) we have them 'written' into their 'pocket' universes. It would have worked for the beginning (after I read first 150 pages I thought it was nice and it will extrapolite on the events next). Now I read it fully and sadly disappointing with how it all progressed after page 200. Too much time spent on fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out. GS/DI Setting still sucks from being too overspilled and childish and very chaotic and unpurposeful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4894911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events. The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less. Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4896442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I think from now on, whenever someone trots out 'all the Gathering Storm fluff is bad' they need to be linked to this book and told they're wrong. That was bloody awesome. Dragonlover GS was a piece of utter trash, born from abortion of GW sewers don't hold back now, tell us what you really think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4896567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events. The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less. Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content. eh, it might not be a language barrier as far as politeness goes, it might be cultural standards on appreciation on what makes a good story (like how china was supposedly going to reject the film dunkirk on the basis that a story built around a retreat was at odds with chinese values. the movie actually went on to do really well there funnily enough, so ok...forget that example) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4896581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events. The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less. Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content. Right. Ok - from the moment Rift has appeared and chansellor went to Luna and Khorne invasion went it became a usual, unemotional bolter porn with the side view of events already prized for us before in horrible GS codexes.Beginning was amazing - as soon as 'fighting' started novel lost it's charm and soul. And became another uninspiring killing daemons W40K story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4896912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events. The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less. Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content. eh, it might not be a language barrier as far as politeness goes, it might be cultural standards on appreciation on what makes a good story (like how china was supposedly going to reject the film dunkirk on the basis that a story built around a retreat was at odds with chinese values. the movie actually went on to do really well there funnily enough, so ok...forget that example) language, cultural standards and opinion on death and life. We are more 'depressed' than you, we are more stucked to material universe of living today instead of living today and tomorrow and years from now. For us - in the eastern Europe, in general for the Slavic people W40K in 90-s and beginning of 2000 was grimdark. Last years - both in HH and 'new' GS are beyond childish for us. In how all depicted (like cartoons and comics instead of 'sarcastic' seriousness from the past), how warfare written (It became more humane and 'nice' to be on pair with the lessening of the age of W40K players), how human 'evil' characters are shown. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4896917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events. The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less. Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content. Right. Ok - from the moment Rift has appeared and chansellor went to Luna and Khorne invasion went it became a usual, unemotional bolter porn with the side view of events already prized for us before in horrible GS codexes.Beginning was amazing - as soon as 'fighting' started novel lost it's charm and soul. And became another uninspiring killing daemons W40K story. I unfortunately do agree with this - the novel lost its charm once battle happened. It didn't need that, it wasn't really an action novel, and the text, characterisation and atmosphere dissipated. I loved how the Luna meeting was written - post-bellum - that was well-done. But the fighting that seemed to dominate henceforth? I was skipping through it sadly. I'd rather have had more of the politics, long-view and reflection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Do we know if BL will release their novels as softbacks in the future? If so, this one would be a musthave. Otherwise, an ebook should be fine as well. :) Their hardbacks are getting more and more expensive, imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just started this; the opening section = how a book should start! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Do we know if BL will release their novels as softbacks in the future? If so, this one would be a musthave. Otherwise, an ebook should be fine as well. Their hardbacks are getting more and more expensive, imho. Why not simply stick to ebooks. Cheaper, you have spare book shelfs etc. Just started this; the opening section = how a book should start! Almost everyone of us agree that Watchers 'first' part of the novel is really good and sometimes amazing. It's getting worse in the second part, sadly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 I always go iBook. I’m not interested in books taking up space in my house. Or special editions that are triple the price and always arrive late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.crusader Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Almost everyone of us agree that Watchers 'first' part of the novel is really good and sometimes amazing. It's getting worse in the second part, sadly Absolutely disagree, second part of the book was even better, it's brilliant from start to finish. C'mon, it's WARhammer, "bolterporn" always was and always will be an essential part of the universe. IMO, the best book Chris Wraight ever wrote. BTW, does anyone know what the short story Blood Guilt is about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Got the LE so will get to it at some point! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4897924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Picked it up on Audible yesterday when the BL lineup launched. They actually use a different narrator for each of the three perspectives, that's pretty dang awesome. Currently only on chapter 6, but Chris really nails the politics that I loved about The Beast Arises, the awe-inspiring inside looks that The Carrion Throne scored with, and the immediacy of the plot, with Cadia falling, Black Legion scheming and the High Lords halfway acknowledging the need for sweeping changes to survive. Coolest maybe is that the High Lords actually seem competent so far. The system is working reasonably effectively rather than being even just half as mad as in the days of the Beast. Let's see how this develops from here on, but damn me those opening chapters are impressive storytelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4898061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 this bad boy just turned up in the mail. that and Jamie Oliver's 5 Ingredients book. had to get something sci-fi kewl to go along with the house proud culinary adult life mallarkey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4898081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 this bad boy just turned up in the mail. that and Jamie Oliver's 5 Ingredients book. had to get something sci-fi kewl to go along with the house proud culinary adult life mallarkey. Ha, thay fits the food focus of the first chapter! But what will you make? Also how is it compared to Oliver's other books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4898225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Oliver's works are by the numbers for me although his characters are full of flavour.... On chapter 4, its excellent. I have so many questions about the setting but am not being deterred or put off which is a sign of a good book for me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4898294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 this bad boy just turned up in the mail. that and Jamie Oliver's 5 Ingredients book. had to get something sci-fi kewl to go along with the house proud culinary adult life mallarkey. Ha, thay fits the food focus of the first chapter! But what will you make? Also how is it compared to Oliver's other books? lol read the first chapter last night and i get what you mean as for oliver: theyre all super easy to make foods and i eat everything that doesnt have coconut or peanut butter in it so it is pretty much an entire book of things i will make Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339442-watchers-of-the-throne-the-emperors-legion/page/3/#findComment-4898583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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