olcottr Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 If a Catachan squad was ordered to Fix Bayonets! can Harker allow them to reroll 1's when they Fight, since it is still technically the Shooting phase? Thorakitai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 That's a real interesting question. I would say no because the wording on Fix Bayonets! is; The ordered unit immediately fights as if it were in the fight phase The operative part being "As if it were in the fight phase", where it would not be able to take the reroll 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 IANAL buuuut... "As if.." still implies it takes place during the shooting phase, thus allowing the rerolls from my view of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yep, I'd be happy to argue it both ways as either interpretation seems about as valid. I wonder if they addressed it in an FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Not yet, hopefully it will be since I just found a Harker model I didn't even know I had (along with a Sly f'n Marbo!) and it would be a fun little gimmick for a turn or two Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 It states "in the fight phase" logic dictates that his buff doesn't work. But technically the order is in the shooting phase. Tricky one. Personally I would say no since it doesn't make sense for it to work with bayonets one round and not the other. Though fluff wise, I could let it slide with harker being harker and all that. Magos_Adephus and CoffeeGrunt 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 They may be technically in the shooting phase, but the rule specifically states you treat the combat as if it was a fight phase. I say no. You are not making shooting attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4890593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Catachan Devil Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Sgt Harker's special rule: Harker's Hellraisers: You can reroll 1s to hit in the shooting phase for friendly catachan units within 6" of Sgt Harker. The Fix bayonets rule: This order can be issued to units within 1" of an enemy unit. The ordered unit fights immediately as if it were the fight phase. Considering the fact that orders are completed in the shooting phase and that Harker's special rule doesn't specify that you have to be shooting in the shooting phase; it just says "in the shooting phase". In addition it doesn't matter if you are acting as if it is the fight phase because it isn't - because if it were the fight phase then you wouldn't be able to issue your order in the first place! I'm going to be inclined to say that Harker's special rule can be used here. Edited September 23, 2017 by The Catachan Devil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4893884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 No, Harker's rule specifically states "You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 in the Shooting phase for friendly CATACHAN units within 6" of Sergeant Harker" The roll to hit is explicit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4893885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Catachan Devil Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 No, Harker's rule specifically states "You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 in the Shooting phase for friendly CATACHAN units within 6" of Sergeant Harker" The roll to hit is explicit. Edited, thanks. Missed the word "hit" out. But still, I believe the Fix bayonets would still benefit from harker's SR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339575-sergeant-harker-and-fix-bayonets/#findComment-4893893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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