our_baz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Holy crap. :eek Catachan LR just went next level. The Mordians seem fine, but it's a reactive rather than proactive set of Abilities and that isn't optimal IMO. The fact that their models are ridiculously hard to get at this point is annoying, too. Not saying they're BAD, but I prefer aggressive rather than defensive strategies (yes, even by Guard standards). Agreed on The Catachan LR. I like the doctrine very fitting. Ld 8 (if sarge around) you're in SM country there, stick a commissar nearby and your opponent is going to have wipe you out, as breaking ain't going to happen. The extra help on overwatch is welcome, might make opponents think twice. I wouldn't get hung up on GW not releasing specific models for each regiment. Without sounding harsh, doesn't say your models must be the specific "regiment"models to use the doctrine. Half my army is built around plastic Cadian models (granted I do also have Mordian models too) I'll be using the Mordian doctrine, as it fits my fluff. Otto von Bludd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Love that you get a Regimental specific Doctrine, Strategem, Warlord trait AND order for each regiment (by the looks of it). A bit more than anyone else gets :) Mordian tanks hitting on a 4 on over watch is nasty. Be careful what you charge into that Demolisher! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 That mordian order really allows for character sniping. a Company command and 2 command squads with plasma dropping from a valkyrie for 16 plasma rounds on a character is gonna hurt. Include yarrick for re-rolling 1s for the overcharge as well! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Be careful what you charge into that Demolisher Punisher! Fixed it for you :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Be careful what you charge into that Demolisher Punisher! Fixed it for you :P Actually, charging a Mordian Executioner would be pretty unpleasant: supercharged plasma, with no risk of overheating, hitting on 4+ if you use the Defensive Gunnery stratagem. duz_ and NatBrannigan 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. I'm pretty sure that when they say "their" they mean Mordian, not Veteran. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application. Says Mordian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto von Bludd Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 LR Conquerors (with Catachan regiment) and Annihilators are going to be brutal with double tap. If you thought a quad las Pred was good, well, the Annihilator is now even better, albeit slightly less accurate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
our_baz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 LR Conquerors (with Catachan regiment) and Annihilators are going to be brutal with double tap. If you thought a quad las Pred was good, well, the Annihilator is now even better, albeit slightly less accurate. Unfortunately neither of those variants would benefit from the updated rule for grinding advance as it stands at the moment . As it specifically mentions the codex LRBT turret options. Hopefully FW will issue an FAQ to remedy this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I like the fluff of the rules. I also surprisingly like the restriction to the buff requiring them to be lined up. I am a little bit disappointed though that the buff seem somewhat defensive in nature. Although the order is brutal! Unfortunately as other have pointed out there was never a metal plasma gunner ... I guess this gives me more reason to run a couple of Victoria Minature Van Dieman plasma veterans. ;) Glad to see the buff to the LRs! Will certainly help the LBRT and vanquishers! Hopefully the Baneblades dont miss out either ... Also with their buffs I can play my punisher, demolisher and plasmacutioner more aggressively! :D our_baz 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Aw common Duz I thought you'd be excited for the Mordians :( . I know I'm excited to use there rules for Praetorians Krash duz_ and NatBrannigan 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) glitch Edited September 26, 2017 by Guardsman Bob Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application. Says Mordian. The part right above it says. Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad!The question is how “unique” is the unique order. Edited September 26, 2017 by Guardsman Bob Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see.It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application. Says Mordian. The part right above it says. Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad!The question is how “unique” is the unique order. It specifically mentions them in a Mordian list, and the Order says Mordian to the left. The Order doesn't specify anything that would make it work differently than any other order. I think you're imagining a level of complexity or wording confusion that isn't there. It seems rather obvious that Form Firing Squad is a Mordian-only Order- not a Mordian Veteran Squad Order or a Veteran Squad only Order, but a Mordian Order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application.Says Mordian. The part right above it says. Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad! The question is how “unique” is the unique order. It specifically mentions them in a Mordian list, and the Order says Mordian to the left. The Order doesn't specify anything that would make it work differently than any other order. I think you're imagining a level of complexity or wording confusion that isn't there. It seems rather obvious that Form Firing Squad is a Mordian-only Order- not a Mordian Veteran Squad Order or a Veteran Squad only Order, but a Mordian Order.You are making assumptions on limited information. Aside if army specific orders did exist then why didn’t they just call it that instead of some convoluted statement about Vets? I’m not trying to assert how the order works, just warning people against jumping to conclusions. Edited September 26, 2017 by Guardsman Bob Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see.It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application.Says Mordian. The part right above it says.Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad!The question is how “unique” is the unique order. It specifically mentions them in a Mordian list, and the Order says Mordian to the left. The Order doesn't specify anything that would make it work differently than any other order. I think you're imagining a level of complexity or wording confusion that isn't there. It seems rather obvious that Form Firing Squad is a Mordian-only Order- not a Mordian Veteran Squad Order or a Veteran Squad only Order, but a Mordian Order. You are making assumptions on limited information. Aside if army specific orders did exist then why didn’t they just call it that instead of some convoluted statement about Vets? I’m not trying to assert how the rule work, just warning people against jumping to conclusions. The statement is not convoluted in the slightest. Sentence one states what they are good for: Special weapons and good BS. Sentence two points out that a group of plasma vets, since plasma guns are rapid fire, benefit from the Mordian Order. It is not complex or confusing in the slightest. Brother Captain Ed and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see. It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application.Says Mordian. The part right above it says. Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad! The question is how “unique” is the unique order. It specifically mentions them in a Mordian list, and the Order says Mordian to the left. The Order doesn't specify anything that would make it work differently than any other order. I think you're imagining a level of complexity or wording confusion that isn't there. It seems rather obvious that Form Firing Squad is a Mordian-only Order- not a Mordian Veteran Squad Order or a Veteran Squad only Order, but a Mordian Order. You are making assumptions on limited information.Aside if army specific orders did exist then why didn’t they just call it that instead of some convoluted statement about Vets? I’m not trying to assert how the rule work, just warning people against jumping to conclusions. The statement is not convoluted in the slightest. Sentence one states what they are good for: Special weapons and good BS. Sentence two points out that a group of plasma vets, since plasma guns are rapid fire, benefit from the Mordian Order. It is not complex or confusing in the slightest. Again assumptions and conjecture. The codex is on the way. Considering I have 100+ Mordians my hope is the Form Firing Squads is universal but I’m not going to make any bets on a marketing blurb. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I mean, you can be as cautious as you desire to be. It is a Mordian Order, full stop. Every one of the 8 Regiments is getting their own unique Order. Nothing about this Order stands out as functionally different from any other Order. I do not understand the confusion, but more power to you for being cautious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 ...the order is shown in its entirety. What can you possibly be confused about? What can possibly be left out? It's. Right. There. CaptainMarsh 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bob Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I’m a proponent of Critical Thinking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Which is more likely? The Marketing team made a slightly ambiguous sentence, or GW decided to rewrite Guard's most fundamental mechanic and convey that to us in a random line, while showing us a picture of the order which doesn't in any way indicate that it's a vets only order? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Aw common Duz I thought you'd be excited for the Mordians :( . I know I'm excited to use there rules for Praetorians Krash Oh don't get me wrong I am extremely excited for the extra flavour and rules! I've been thinking all day how I can use them to my advantage. How I plan to model a Mordian-esque plasma gunner team and even considering movement trays! :DIt does add a very Stoic feel to them! Leadership buffs are very useful this edition when there are so many negative modifiers floating around! I guess my interpretation of them they were more inline with laying down large volleys of accurate lasgun fire. Which would have resulted in different special rules. In other words I was hoping for an excuse to use my troops more aggressively than defensively. As for the discussion of whether or not the order is for all Mordians or just Mordian veterans. I personally think it would be very odd for the order to specificy a specific unit (and a single one at that), particularly when they seem to have provided the rule in its entirety. Either way lets please keep the discussion on the matter civil. We will know the actual rule next week. Edited September 27, 2017 by duz_ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Aw common Duz I thought you'd be excited for the Mordians . I know I'm excited to use there rules for Praetorians Krash I guess my interpretation of them they were more inline with laying down large volleys of accurate lasgun fire. Which would have resulted in different special rules. In other words I was hoping for an excuse to use my troops more aggressively than defensively. Well, I guess you could look at it as the defensive buffs allowing you to play your Mordians more aggressively. You can spread out a little, no need to huddle around the commissar. And your nasty overwatch allows you to get right in the enemy's face and dare him to charge you. Combine that with enhanced rapidfire weapons, which benefit from closing in, and you can play your Mordians pretty aggressively! duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 We might want to curb our enthusiasm with the Form Firing Squads. They imply this is a unique vet thing. So whether that’s a communications blunder or bacon to encourage veteran squad use we’ll need to wait and see.It is the Mordian special order. it is mentioned alongside veterans because being able to basically snipe with four plasma is amazing application.Says Mordian. The part right above it says.Veteran are a key component in any Astra Militarum list, thanks to a versatile range of equipment and a great Ballistic Skill. In a Mordian list, plasma gun veterans are going to be essential thanks to their unique order, Form Firing Squad!The question is how “unique” is the unique order. It specifically mentions them in a Mordian list, and the Order says Mordian to the left. The Order doesn't specify anything that would make it work differently than any other order. I think you're imagining a level of complexity or wording confusion that isn't there. It seems rather obvious that Form Firing Squad is a Mordian-only Order- not a Mordian Veteran Squad Order or a Veteran Squad only Order, but a Mordian Order. You are making assumptions on limited information.Aside if army specific orders did exist then why didn’t they just call it that instead of some convoluted statement about Vets? I’m not trying to assert how the rule work, just warning people against jumping to conclusions. The statement is not convoluted in the slightest. Sentence one states what they are good for: Special weapons and good BS. Sentence two points out that a group of plasma vets, since plasma guns are rapid fire, benefit from the Mordian Order. It is not complex or confusing in the slightest. Again assumptions and conjecture. The codex is on the way. Considering I have 100+ Mordians my hope is the Form Firing Squads is universal but I’m not going to make any bets on a marketing blurb. ...That's not a marketing blurb. Those colored sections in that kind of font are straight from the codex, cropped for the page. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339841-mordians-fall-in-also-russ-buff-confirmed/page/2/#findComment-4896601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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