Question about 3rd party bits

[sunspear]

I am thinking about an AM army and there are so many nice 3rd party bits out there. If I use them, is this going to allow me to play in organized events? Is this looked down on or not allowed? I plan on using GW cadians as a base. Probably have some different legs and an odd torso here or there and some variant heads.

Comments or suggestions? Thanks!

[m_r_parker]

Honestly, will depend on the event organiser and the individual event. If you're planning to do a GW run event (such as Throne of Skulls), then they're not going to allow them. Best to check the types of events you're thinking about attending before you make any financial / modelling choices.

[Ranulf]

I'd imagine that GW run/sponsored events are going to get tougher and tougher on the rules for third party bits given the release of the new codex, the lack of GW miniatures to represent the new regiments and increasing number of third party suppliers.

 

They've recently moved against Pop goes the Monkey for IP infringement, so I'm anticipating the same for third party guard bits - at least in regard to use in tournaments and events.

 

Something to mindful of outside of friendly informal gaming clubs.

[Guardsman Bob]

If you are primely using GW Bitz and blend things well enough most people aren’t going to even notice. Of all the models lines the Guard have the most diverse options for kit bashing. I have used most of the plastics at some point (excluding the pre 2nd plastic IG) and I can’t tell the difference half the time unless someone straight up tells me.

[sunspear]

I was thinking about using some Victoria miniatures kilt legs for an old IG regiment.

I mean if the only restriction will be gw sanctioned events I can live with it. I mostly play casual games anyway.

[Ranulf]

I've got those exact legs sitting in my bits box at the moment. It's a toss up between those and the anvil short trench coat legs as the start of a new regiment!

[tychobi]

Looks like you are in North America.  Hasn't been a GW sanctioned tourney in NA in quite some time.  I would assume that rational folks would apply the "rule of cool" most times even in UK and be happy to let you play.  The GW tournaments I went to in Seattle many years ago had all sorts of non GW models running around and armies that flat out cheated despite written tournament rules to the contrary so I would assume that the individual tournament organizers have something to do with it.  

 

Up here in Canada we love the unique stuff so no GW bits/models are all the rage and the tournament organizers just include a "you must declare before the game all counts as models to your opponent. Organizers can disallow models that are not in the spirit of the game".  Make em look awesome and who is gonna complain?  My only paint trophy was for an all lead/green stuff motley crew of Grenadier and Ral Partha models from waaaay back.  Almost won best overall with that one. . . If only I hadn't sworn off AOS due to their callous disregard for me as a tournament player i would bring em out of the display case once in a while.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

GW did just mention this either on the community site or WD, I can't remember which... but they said they'd allow 90% GW models. Meaning a weapon or head swap would be ok.

 

That said, adepticon just recently posted their upcoming tournament primer, and it says only GW or FW models.

[narcolepticltd]

GW did just mention this either on the community site or WD, I can't remember which... but they said they'd allow 90% GW models. Meaning a weapon or head swap would be ok.

 

That said, adepticon just recently posted their upcoming tournament primer, and it says only GW or FW models.

 

How are they gonna handle FW units that have a current datasheet but haven't had a model for a few editions? Are scratch builds using GW kits and plasticard going to be allowed or are you just SoL unless you happen to have a kit from 5 years ago?

 

Then again, as popular as adepticon is, unless you plan on entering that tournament specifically, it certainly shouldn't affect the OP here.  

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

Yeah as far as Adepticon goes I think you're just out of luck. I'm more worried that other big events may decide to follow their example.

 

But here is the warhammer world comment on the subject: https://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/Model-Requirements.pdf

[Tirak]

GW did just mention this either on the community site or WD, I can't remember which... but they said they'd allow 90% GW models. Meaning a weapon or head swap would be ok.

 

That said, adepticon just recently posted their upcoming tournament primer, and it says only GW or FW models.

 

That's not quite accurate. On Forgeworld they said it must be the model (and I emailed them last week about whether or not exceptions will be made for units in Imperial Armour not sold by Forgeworld anymore), but they only say you need to have Games Workshop models 100% if you intend to be on the Warhammer 40k Community Livestream.

 

Now that's only the draft rules for their Team Tournament, singles may be different, and I would be astonished if they go hardcore Games Workshop 90% rules given how little GW has supported the American community, and how open Adepticon has been in the past.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

Adepticon team tournament rules were just straight GW/FW only, nothing about 90%, unless they changed it.

 

But I'm surprised as well. Adepticon has so many 3rd party retailers as sponsors and vendors.

[Tirak]

Adepticon team tournament rules were just straight GW/FW only, nothing about 90%, unless they changed it.

 

But I'm surprised as well. Adepticon has so many 3rd party retailers as sponsors and vendors.

No it doesn't say that in the draft they've released so far, unless you've got another release aside from the one they put out on September 19th. The only thing pertaining to normal GW models is if you want to participate in the Warhammer Community Livestream. The Forgeworld requirement is the same in the Team Tourney, though they also state that in the team tourney if you take Forgeworld it must be the specific forgeworld model.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

 

 

Adepticon team tournament rules were just straight GW/FW only, nothing about 90%, unless they changed it.

 

But I'm surprised as well. Adepticon has so many 3rd party retailers as sponsors and vendors.

No it doesn't say that in the draft they've released so far, unless you've got another release aside from the one they put out on September 19th. The only thing pertaining to normal GW models is if you want to participate in the Warhammer Community Livestream. The Forgeworld requirement is the same in the Team Tourney, though they also state that in the team tourney if you take Forgeworld it must be the specific forgeworld model.

Oh heck, yeah you're right. Though as noted that's tough for FW models no longer in production.

[sunspear]

Well if I ever decide to play in any kind of event then maybe I should go to Canada:) not sure that I ever will attend one but I was just curious.

I like a lot of the 3rd party stuff and for AM especially there is so many cool bits. AM can be so diverse, and if GW doesn't make the bits then I guess I just won't play in the events. Thanks for the info.