mika_angelus Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I don't think you can outflank a super heavy. Just build mine and it's a tiny bit wider then seven inches from sponson to sponson. So only if you take it without sponsons you are good to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You can angle it to work, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarians Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I think that sponsons fonction count as the Armor of a Tank, correct me if I'm Wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Could you stick the superheavy in a corner? That way the hull of the model is in one 7" area, and the sponson sticks out into the adjacent 7" area? Does that make sense? I'll have to measure my model to see. As for what is best? Any kind of Leman Russ supporting a superheavy variant is going to be great and hilarious. I would tend towards shorter-ranged turrets, so you can take advantage of the SUPRISE! -proximity. For my Outflanks, I'm going to take a Baneblade with two Punisher Russes, or three Punisher Russes. Some of those may be commanders. Some of those may have hull Lascannons because we can move and shoot them without penalty, as well as split firing (ty 8th Ed), making it more worth it in my eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr13 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Btw, Reece of FLG said that units *in* a transport count for the number of outflanking units. Just fyi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Could you stick the superheavy in a corner? That way the hull of the model is in one 7" area, and the sponson sticks out into the adjacent 7" area? Does that make sense? I'll have to measure my model to see. As for what is best? Any kind of Leman Russ supporting a superheavy variant is going to be great and hilarious. I would tend towards shorter-ranged turrets, so you can take advantage of the SUPRISE! -proximity. For my Outflanks, I'm going to take a Baneblade with two Punisher Russes, or three Punisher Russes. Some of those may be commanders. Some of those may have hull Lascannons because we can move and shoot them without penalty, as well as split firing (ty 8th Ed), making it more worth it in my eyes. Wouldn't that still not be within 7'' of the chosen table edge? Even if you deploy at the end of the edge so its near a corner, you still have to choose just one edge, right? I think the superheavies might simply be too big to use ambush on, and that's probably intended. Btw, Reece of FLG said that units *in* a transport count for the number of outflanking units. Just fyi. That seems odd since it doesn't count for any other deployment count, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Could you stick the superheavy in a corner? That way the hull of the model is in one 7" area, and the sponson sticks out into the adjacent 7" area? Does that make sense? I'll have to measure my model to see. As for what is best? Any kind of Leman Russ supporting a superheavy variant is going to be great and hilarious. I would tend towards shorter-ranged turrets, so you can take advantage of the SUPRISE! -proximity. For my Outflanks, I'm going to take a Baneblade with two Punisher Russes, or three Punisher Russes. Some of those may be commanders. Some of those may have hull Lascannons because we can move and shoot them without penalty, as well as split firing (ty 8th Ed), making it more worth it in my eyes. Wouldn't that still not be within 7'' of the chosen table edge? Even if you deploy at the end of the edge so its near a corner, you still have to choose just one edge, right? I think the superheavies might simply be too big to use ambush on, and that's probably intended. Btw, Reece of FLG said that units *in* a transport count for the number of outflanking units. Just fyi. That seems odd since it doesn't count for any other deployment count, right? Ah, good point. Looks like it will have to be triple Leman Russ on the outflank then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Could you stick the superheavy in a corner? That way the hull of the model is in one 7" area, and the sponson sticks out into the adjacent 7" area? Does that make sense? I'll have to measure my model to see. As for what is best? Any kind of Leman Russ supporting a superheavy variant is going to be great and hilarious. I would tend towards shorter-ranged turrets, so you can take advantage of the SUPRISE! -proximity. For my Outflanks, I'm going to take a Baneblade with two Punisher Russes, or three Punisher Russes. Some of those may be commanders. Some of those may have hull Lascannons because we can move and shoot them without penalty, as well as split firing (ty 8th Ed), making it more worth it in my eyes. Wouldn't that still not be within 7'' of the chosen table edge? Even if you deploy at the end of the edge so its near a corner, you still have to choose just one edge, right? I think the superheavies might simply be too big to use ambush on, and that's probably intended. Btw, Reece of FLG said that units *in* a transport count for the number of outflanking units. Just fyi. That seems odd since it doesn't count for any other deployment count, right? Ah, good point. Looks like it will have to be triple Leman Russ on the outflank then. Someone mentioned it earlier. What about 3 squads of hellhounds? 9 hellhound variants outflanking would hurt! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Could you stick the superheavy in a corner? That way the hull of the model is in one 7" area, and the sponson sticks out into the adjacent 7" area? Does that make sense? I'll have to measure my model to see. As for what is best? Any kind of Leman Russ supporting a superheavy variant is going to be great and hilarious. I would tend towards shorter-ranged turrets, so you can take advantage of the SUPRISE! -proximity. For my Outflanks, I'm going to take a Baneblade with two Punisher Russes, or three Punisher Russes. Some of those may be commanders. Some of those may have hull Lascannons because we can move and shoot them without penalty, as well as split firing (ty 8th Ed), making it more worth it in my eyes. Wouldn't that still not be within 7'' of the chosen table edge? Even if you deploy at the end of the edge so its near a corner, you still have to choose just one edge, right? I think the superheavies might simply be too big to use ambush on, and that's probably intended. Btw, Reece of FLG said that units *in* a transport count for the number of outflanking units. Just fyi. That seems odd since it doesn't count for any other deployment count, right? Ah, good point. Looks like it will have to be triple Leman Russ on the outflank then. Well, the outflank is units, not models (if I'm not mistaken). I guess you could do up to 9 LR in total as 3 squadrons of 3. Which I think is probably at least as powerful as surprise Baneblade, though some of those Russes will get locked up in combat quickly. My question, and the question I think everybody will probably have, is if arriving as reinforcements in this way counts as having moved your MAXIMUM move, or just having moved, for the purposes of Grinding Advance. Valdr Fell-fist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm guessing it just counts as having moved in general. Since you're not "required" to move onto the board a certain distance, as long as you keep the total movement distance from the board edge under half of the LR's Movement, I'd say you're fine. Just remember, you have to deploy at least half of your units in Matched Play. Tallarn are going to need to put something on the board so maximizing that Outflank could be challenging if you're not planning on throwing around easy KP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm guessing it just counts as having moved in general. Since you're not "required" to move onto the board a certain distance, as long as you keep the total movement distance from the board edge under half of the LR's Movement, I'd say you're fine. Just remember, you have to deploy at least half of your units in Matched Play. Tallarn are going to need to put something on the board so maximizing that Outflank could be challenging if you're not planning on throwing around easy KP. That's true, but since deployment is by unit count, not model count, you'll only ever need to drop at least 3 units on the board to make use of the ambush tactic, and considering Guard armies tend to have way, way, way more than that, I'm not too concerned. Vel'Cona 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchverr Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Im currently considering running a tallarn armoured group of only leman russ tanks, a couple hellhounds and a couple sentinels possibly, with the addition of a super heavy to support them (thinking the stormhammer from FW currently equipped with h.flamers), think it is actually viable or is it a meme dream? (i am thinking something like 6 russes, 1 stormhammer, 2 hellhounds, possibly 2 sentinels and a salamander command vehicle for +1 shooting bonus) narcolepticltd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 If you want to outflank a super heavy, why not a Valdor? It is based on the Malcador chassis so its not particularly large and should fit within 7 inches. It also can still fire while locked in combat, plus it explodes on a 2+ so your opponent may not want to be near it. Could be pretty funny to watch it explode and take what killed it down with it. narcolepticltd and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4901948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Im currently considering running a tallarn armoured group of only leman russ tanks, a couple hellhounds and a couple sentinels possibly, with the addition of a super heavy to support them (thinking the stormhammer from FW currently equipped with h.flamers), think it is actually viable or is it a meme dream? (i am thinking something like 6 russes, 1 stormhammer, 2 hellhounds, possibly 2 sentinels and a salamander command vehicle for +1 shooting bonus) As long as you can take out most of the enemy's troop units throughout the fight, it would definitely be able to contest objectives, which is actually a tick in the pro column for whether its viable. I wonder if you'll be lacking in CP, though. Might not be able to use that ambush stratagem. But then again I think Crush Them and the overwatch stratagem are the only ones you'll end up using super often. Unless the inspired tactics one counts for tank commanders too. Edited October 3, 2017 by Lemondish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcolepticltd Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 If a baneblade hull's tracks fit in a 7" slot, I'd say that counts as the unit being fully in the boundary - if not, you can still outflank your macharius hulls :) Also, although the Malcador variants are HS... the valdor is a super-heavy (even though it's the same chassis...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Since we can now shoot from any part of the model, I don't think going by tracks alone is acceptable on a model with no base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcolepticltd Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Since we can now shoot from any part of the model, I don't think going by tracks alone is acceptable on a model with no base. I think it's going to be a grey area that will cause some confusion until it gets faq'd - which is why I included the alternative of other slimmer supers :) and an outflanking malcador is still pretty awesome even if it's just a HS slot now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I had been torn between Catachan and Tallarn rules and I think Tallarn just fits my style better. I tend to use lots of tanks and scout sentinels, as well as aggressive infantry, and it all seems to fit wonderfully. I was going to paint Cadians models in desert camo, and use the rules for a regiment from a DIY planet. As long as I tell my opponent, anyone see any problems with that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No problems with that. Guard regiments come in all shapes and sizes, and I do believe it explicitly says in the codex that if your regiment name isn't in the book, simply apply the doctrine you feel most aptly fits your regiment. Sawtooth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm definitely in love with the Tallarn rules, and really digging the aesthetic as well. The only problem I'm having is finding a way to get the look right on the table. Any suggestions for kitbashing some Desert Raiders? I'd like to limit the amount of 3rd party, but I'm thinking heads might be the only thing I'd have to go 3rd party for. Maxmini and puppets war both have interesting heads in shemaghs. Mad Robot also makes 1 (and a Keffiyeh head) but personally not to my taste. https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=277 http://maxmini.eu/conversion-bits/head-swaps/desert-dwellers-heads-bits Those look great! Thanks! I wonder if they would look too big on some Elysian bodies used as a base for the kitbash... Do you think it would look good to use both types of heads in the same army? Just for variety? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchverr Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Do you think it would look good to use both types of heads in the same army? Just for variety? I would say it might work, but i would highly, HIGHLY recommend if you try that to only buy a limited number of heads from the 1 you least enjoy first as a test, make sure they match etc. If they dont, you can always greenstuff them to fall into line a bit more ofcourse. Theres also https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=234 https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_10&products_id=235 These which could interest people here. narcolepticltd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 No problems with that. Guard regiments come in all shapes and sizes, and I do believe it explicitly says in the codex that if your regiment name isn't in the book, simply apply the doctrine you feel most aptly fits your regiment. Thank you. I didn't think it would be an issue but it's always good to get a second opinion. I was already looking into desert schemes for my Cadia pattern gear, I think the pieces all fell into place nicely for me this edition :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarians Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Without sponsons, you Can outflank à Super Heavies, you are under 7 inches, but an outflanking Baneblade chassis is it still good without sponsons ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcolepticltd Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Without sponsons, you Can outflank à Super Heavies, you are under 7 inches, but an outflanking Baneblade chassis is it still good without sponsons ? even w/o sponsons, you still have the primary weapons as well as adamantium tracks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 For models, I'm going with a modern look. As fate would have it, a number of modern militaries have spent a little time in the desert... Wolf_Lord_Hardrada 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339990-tallarn/page/2/#findComment-4902308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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