Are there going to be any more Horus Heresy games/plastics?

[Kingleir]

I'd like to see a set with a Deimos vehicle of some sort.

[Volt]

Why not fulfill another fan favorite, and have Raven Guard vs Alpha Legion? MK VI for everybody, and the big beakie fanbase happily rejoices. 

[totgeboren]

A bunch of years ago, when alternative marks were FW exclusive, I remember seeing two online polls on what mark was your favorite mark. Both times mk.V ended up at the bottom of the barrel.

And that retcon crappy background of mk.V not being a real mark didn't make things better (unique helmet, torso and kneepads means it simply cannot be cobbled together from other marks).

 

Mk.V has always been my favorite, but I highly doubt we will be seeing a HH set with mk.V dudes. If GW ever goes back to 'normal' marines, I think a box of beakies might be more likely.

[m_r_parker]

I "hope" they do MKV armor or at least retool the molds for the resin ones, the last set I got required extensive work to fix.

Hmm.. thats weird. After Calth was released the main resin armour marks had their sculpts and molds redone to make them compatible with the plastics (I.e. take the hands off the right arms) as well as to make repairs. I’ve not seen a lot of MkV around, so am surprised that the mold has deteriorated this quickly (18 months or so). Did you get the newer set or did they pass the older one onto you to clear out their stock?

 

I seem to recall back at the HH Weekender in February the same question being asked (I.e. will there be more Heresy plastic games in the future?) and I think the answer was something along the lines of ‘not in the immediate future’ - I’ll have to check that thread to double check, but I have the feeling if there is another one it’ll be a while.

 

Given the success of the plastic line so far I would like to think that GW would see this as a potentially profitable venture even outside of a £95 boxed game. I would love to see them release equivalents of, say, MkIV Assault squads, or MkIII Devastator squads (with over-the-shoulder heavy weapons), or even Breachers. They’ve done a lot of the hard work already in the plastic CADs, and would take some pressure off the FW manufacturing. But that’s just my opinion.

[Old-Four-Arms]

Considering that there was some correlation between previous GW HH boxed sets and FW HH publications (Tempest / B@C and Inferno / BoP respectively), GW might be

waiting for Angelus to come out. IMHO, the loss of Mr. Bligh will also have a substantial impact on FW's release schedule with regards to written material.

 

Fully agree with m_r_parker : GW could make some easy money by marketing individual kits or even some weapon sprues ; bolt pistols + chainswords (chainaxes, please !!),  

shoulder-mounted heavy weapons, etc.

 

Sincerely hoping that the plastic Heresy continues...

 

 

Old-Four-Arms

Edited October 9, 2017 by Old-Four-Arms

[Laughingman]

 

I "hope" they do MKV armor or at least retool the molds for the resin ones, the last set I got required extensive work to fix.

Hmm.. thats weird. After Calth was released the main resin armour marks had their sculpts and molds redone to make them compatible with the plastics (I.e. take the hands off the right arms) as well as to make repairs. I’ve not seen a lot of MkV around, so am surprised that the mold has deteriorated this quickly (18 months or so). Did you get the newer set or did they pass the older one onto you to clear out their stock?

 

I seem to recall back at the HH Weekender in February the same question being asked (I.e. will there be more Heresy plastic games in the future?) and I think the answer was something along the lines of ‘not in the immediate future’ - I’ll have to check that thread to double check, but I have the feeling if there is another one it’ll be a while.

 

Given the success of the plastic line so far I would like to think that GW would see this as a potentially profitable venture even outside of a £95 boxed game. I would love to see them release equivalents of, say, MkIV Assault squads, or MkIII Devastator squads (with over-the-shoulder heavy weapons), or even Breachers. They’ve done a lot of the hard work already in the plastic CADs, and would take some pressure off the FW manufacturing. But that’s just my opinion.

 

The MKV I got were definitely (at least the arms) post update designed to fit the newer space marine weapons. Despite this they suffered what I believe is mold slip, I made the mistake of cutting them out before checking for it so I assume Forgeworld will not send me new ones even if I give them photographic evidence. Same goes for the MK3 Despoiler squad legs with serious mold slip.

[Closet Skeleton]

And that retcon crappy background of mk.V not being a real mark didn't make things better (unique helmet, torso and kneepads means it simply cannot be cobbled together from other marks).

 

Where have they 'retconned' mark V? It was always supposed to be a pseudo-mark made of jury rigged Mark IV parts with no real standardization. Mark V has unique elements because its adapted from previous marks not just made up purely of old components.

 

The plastic Mark IV suits have the occasional stud on them, showing that they're partially on the way to Mark V.

 

 

White Dwarf Compilation page 23

The Mark 5 used as many pre-Mark 4 components as possible. Large stocks of these existed and the Marine Artificers were already familiar with their application. Once supplies of the new materials used in the Mark 4 armour dried up it became necessary to re-use the older substances. In the illustration the lighter chest, arm and leg cabling of the Mark 4 has been replaced by older and heavier style cabling made from more readily available materials. However the cables are now exposed because they are too bulky to fit under the new style chest plate. This was to prove a consistent weak spot in the design leading to the fitment of all kings of improvised chest armour.

 

A distinguishing feature of the Mark 5 armour were the heavily studied armour plates. This was an attempt to reinforce the Mark 4 pattern plates when inferior materials were used due to lack of the proper supplies. An extra skin plate was fitted around the armour using molecular bonding studs. <cutting a few sentences about weight and heat build up because this book is still in copy write and just reproducing large sections is dubious>

 

The helmet type illustrated is a spin-off from the Terminator development program, an early type of pre-production helmet, sharing the same type of auto-sense components as contemporary Terminator suits. Being something of an improvised stop-gap, it is common for Mark 5 suits to vary a great deal. Where Mark 4 helmets, armoured plates and cabling were available these were often used.

 

Sadly all later information about power armour marks is just simplified versions of the original White Dwarf article.

 

Basically, that 'unique helmet and torso' were only intended to be an example of mark V armour, not what mark V necessarily the definitive appearance of heresy era marines.

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

The MKV I got were definitely (at least the arms) post update designed to fit the newer space marine weapons. Despite this they suffered what I believe is mold slip, I made the mistake of cutting them out before checking for it so I assume Forgeworld will not send me new ones even if I give them photographic evidence. Same goes for the MK3 Despoiler squad legs with serious mold slip.

 

You mean cutting them off the big blocks of resin 'sprue' they come attached to? That shouldn't be a problem. FW, like all branches of GW are pretty good at the customer service. So it's well worth shooting them an email of you've got issues.

[Major_Gilbear]

I think that the loss of Alan Bligh, the HH releases have probably been rather disarrayed, and hence the relative inactivity in terms of any big new releases or updates.

 

In the meantime, FW is being kept busy with Specialist Games support, and I think it can be easy to forget that FW is bigger than just HH stuff; and the small number of FW staff can only do so much!

 

I would not be surprised to see at least one more HH plastic set, and I'd suggest that mkVI would be an obvious candidate. Now, which legions it would feature, and what specifics of the kits would be, I can only wildly speculate.

 

A set featuring RG vs AL all in mkVI would be an obvious option in my opinion, and the set could be a good excuse to do an assault squad with jump packs too. If it follows the boardgame format of the others, I'd struggle to see what vehicles or big "centrepiece" models they could do though. Although I suspect that GW would like to tie this to other related releases, I think that just being a "big box of beekees" will see it sell stupidly well.

 

Alternatively, they might consider doing a more formal HH starter box, and pull hard on the Rogue Trader aesthetic to sell a battleforce without a game. Something like that could feature something like three mkVI tactical squads, a Deimos Rhino, a Deimos Predator (as an upgrade sprue, so the set would come with two Rhinos and a Pred upgrade sprue), a plastic clampack character, and maybe the plastic Contemptor (because it's already made, although I would *love* to see a new more multi-part version made). The good thing about this is that could be used for a variety of different HH-era forces, and can also be cheekily painted up in Crimson Fist colours as big nod to Rogue Trader.

 

Ultimately, any HH box needs to have pretty Legion-neutral contents, and should ideally be useful for much of the HH era to help boost sales (mkVI being the only real exception in that I think it'd do well regardless). On top of those requirements, it would need to coincide with a related big/popular release as well. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Hfran Morkai]

Plastic 30K bikes would be appreciated by loads of people. My wallet cries every time I look at the cost of a 3 man Outrider Squadron...

[No Foes Remain]

Wasn't there a rumour ages ago that the next set would be MK2 and people started to tie that into Angelus? Or was that all wishlisting?

[Major_Gilbear]

Plastic 30K bikes would be appreciated by loads of people. My wallet cries every time I look at the cost of a 3 man Outrider Squadron...

 

The bikes already make use of the plastic Scout Bike frame, so I doubt we'd see all-plastic bikes. Truthfully, same with any Rhino-based models, but I think more of a case can be made for all-plastic Deimos Rhinos than for all-plastic HH Bikes.

 

So far, all the HH plastics have had direct translation into 40k (snowflake armour mark rules for 40k aside), and bikes are already fully-plastic in 40k (though I agree they desperately need an update).

 

Thinking more about it, we *could* see plastic jetbikes if RG/Cawl decide to resurrect them for Space Marine armies at large in 40k.

 

 

Wasn't there a rumour ages ago that the next set would be MK2 and people started to tie that into Angelus? Or was that all wishlisting?

 

Speculation and wishlisting I think.

[Hfran Morkai]

Hmm I did not know the bikers were Scout bases. That saddens me even more.

[helterskelter]

Plastic mk IV assault marines. These have been part of the rumour mill and need making a reality. No one likes scrounging for jump packs. Else I just end up using chaos raptor packs.

[Hfran Morkai]

That would be incredibly handy, especially if they cut the sprues to include standard backpacks too.

[Fire Golem]

I'm hoping for plastic MkII at some point, because I'd definitely use them for a White Scars force.

[Mostwanted]

It's good to see all these comments. I think there is definitely a wish for more to be done in the future.

A while back I read (possibly a rumour or from an open day) that GW were going to do the core units for 30k taking the pressure off Forgeworld, allowing them to concentrate on the more specialist models and upgrade packs. If this it true, I could see GW in the future doing a tactical squad box in each of the Mk's of armour around during the Heresy. I also think the passing of Alan Bligh has really slowed things down on the Heresy front. I am happy to wait for them to get to where they need to be after losing someone so important to the project, rather than trying to rush things out.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Mostwanted

[Corswain]

Agreed. I think that the boxed games are being developed independently to the HH range proper though so I don’t think Alan Blighs passing should have any impact on their development.

Potentially on release dates though, if they wanna drop them close to a Heresy book release, as others have suggested.

 

The specialist games have got Necromunda about to release and are working on Adeptus Titanicus too, I think they’ve probably been prioritised over another Heresy box.

I doubt GW will completely abandon the money-making machine that is plastic Heresy though. Just might take a little longer than we’d like.

[Ascanius]

Even if Games Workshop had another Horus Heresy boardgame designed, I imagine they would have to have pushed it back so their suppliers could use their production capacity for the 8th Edition Dark Imperium, Know No Fear, and First Strike starter sets, plus the multi-part plastic kits for Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard.

[Damo1701]

Even if Games Workshop had another Horus Heresy boardgame designed, I imagine they would have to have pushed it back so their suppliers could use their production capacity for the 8th Edition Dark Imperium, Know No Fear, and First Strike starter sets, plus the multi-part plastic kits for Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard.

One thing to Remember, all plastic/resin/metal kits are produced in Nottingham by Games Workshop/Forge World themselves.

 

The only things to come from 3rd parties are their range of rulebook and a lot of the card/paper stock items which generally come from China.

 

I would live to see more Heresy era boxes released.

[Marshal Rohr]

Probably not with NuMarines being a soft reboot of the marine range.

[FuriousFerret]

I dream of plastic mk V. Nightly.

 

As for the mk v retcon discussion, FW neatly solved it, I think, in HH vol 5 (?) by distinguishing between production mk v (the full monty, a full suit of Mk V, sourced from Emperor Alpharius knows where, and so far shown only in Alpha Legion colours, maybe that's a hint), and non-production mk v (the hodgepodge, parts sourced from MKs II-IV, VI).

 

EDIT:

 

Designation: Production Mk V: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/28/3a/a9283aeae53e94adea6e85db2e7fcab2.jpg

 

Argh, the link is broken. Just google 'alpha legion mk v', it'll show up in the first 20 image results.

 

Designation: Non-Production MK V: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/68/44/1368441594bfac11c2859de2a33ac610.jpg

 

The terms in question appear in the image blurbs.

Edited October 14, 2017 by FuriousFerret

[Ascanius]

 

Even if Games Workshop had another Horus Heresy boardgame designed, I imagine they would have to have pushed it back so their suppliers could use their production capacity for the 8th Edition Dark Imperium, Know No Fear, and First Strike starter sets, plus the multi-part plastic kits for Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard.

One thing to Remember, all plastic/resin/metal kits are produced in Nottingham by Games Workshop/Forge World themselves.

 

OK, but the point is that their production capacity is more or less fixed. Plastic production being wholly internal makes my argument a little stronger, actually, since if they do it all themselves they can't just contract with an additional supplier.

[Damo1701]

While I agree that GW etc have pushed HH era production to the back burner thanks to the travesty that is 8th edition, I think that they have put all this years eggs in two baskets, rather than spread them out.

 

They rushed the launch of 8th edition since it was leaked, and are gambling on Necromunda.

 

With B@C and BoP, GW were able to release a standalone game that complement the existing system by providing alternate or complementary models for existing armies, or in the case of BoP, new additions to 40k.

 

They can't do that now.

 

Why?

 

Because with the emphasis shifting from Marines to Primaris, they would not only have to retcon the HH fluff to include active Primaris, but also some of the Primaris fluff to show them being active during the HH, and opening the door to a complete removal of the previous Astartes line in favour of the Primaris line.

 

That would mean scaling up whatever armour mark they would include, as well as risk alienating a huge proportion of their fan base again.

[Corswain]

They can't do that now.

Why?

Because with the emphasis shifting from Marines to Primaris, they would not only have to retcon the HH fluff to include active Primaris, but also some of the Primaris fluff to show them being active during the HH, and opening the door to a complete removal of the previous Astartes line in favour of the Primaris line.

That would mean scaling up whatever armour mark they would include, as well as risk alienating a huge proportion of their fan base again.

They don’t need to do any of that. Any Marines they release are relevant to the board game they come in, the Horus Heresy rules-set that FW have planned and 8th Edition 40K. No scaling or Primaris required. Edited October 14, 2017 by Corswain