Are there going to be any more Horus Heresy games/plastics?

[totgeboren]

I dream of plastic mk V. Nightly.

As for the mk v retcon discussion, FW neatly solved it, I think, in HH vol 5 (?) by distinguishing between production mk v (the full monty, a full suit of Mk V, sourced from Emperor Alpharius knows where, and so far shown only in Alpha Legion colours, maybe that's a hint), and non-production mk v (the hodgepodge, parts sourced from MKs II-IV, VI).

EDIT:

Designation: Production Mk V: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/28/3a/a9283aeae53e94adea6e85db2e7fcab2.jpg

Argh, the link is broken. Just google 'alpha legion mk v', it'll show up in the first 20 image results.

Designation: Non-Production MK V: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/68/44/1368441594bfac11c2859de2a33ac610.jpg

The terms in question appear in the image blurbs.

Neat, had completely missed that AL dude in mk.V! (typical AL always being all sneaky like!)

 

Oh, and your first link works, you just have an extra 'space' sign at the end of the link.

Edited October 15, 2017 by totgeboren

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

I dream of plastic mk V. Nightly.

 

You don't know true suffering until you've tried to remove the mold lines/slips from a bunch of Mk V legs that run straight between the armor bonding studs.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

I dream of plastic mk V. Nightly.

 

You don't know true suffering until you've tried to remove the mold lines/slips from a bunch of Mk V legs that run straight between the armor bonding studs.

 

That sounds like heaven compared to living with my ex 

[Ascanius]

What is this, open-mic night?

[Marshal Loss]

I don't see another plastic HH game coming. Hope to be wrong, but yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

[Lord Marshal]

I don't see another plastic HH game coming. Hope to be wrong, but yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

 

I think if FW put out an 8th edition version of 30k we may do, but only if it's a booming success. Maybe around the time if and when they release a model of the Emperor.

 

As others have said though, it's probably going to be all Primaris all the time from now on. Especially since 40k is trying it's hardest to be a the Heresy from a story perspective anyway. Forge World probably have GW heads breathing down their necks to focus on making new Primaris stuff and forget previous marks ever existed.

Edited October 15, 2017 by Lord Marshal

[Stoic Raptor]

I don't see another plastic HH game coming. Hope to be wrong, but yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

 

I'm inclined to agree, simply because there's no difference, in this case, between "if" and "when".  I can't foresee a time in their release schedule in the near-to-mid future where another HH box set would be feasible and marketable.  GW would basically be competing with itself, given the number of other releases that we know of or confidently expect.

[deathspectersgt7]

 

I don't see another plastic HH game coming. Hope to be wrong, but yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

 

I think if FW put out an 8th edition version of 30k we may do, but only if it's a booming success. Maybe around the time if and when they release a model of the Emperor.

 

As others have said though, it's probably going to be all Primaris all the time from now on. Especially since 40k is trying it's hardest to be a the Heresy from a story perspective anyway. Forge World probably have GW heads breathing down their necks to focus on making new Primaris stuff and forget previous marks ever existed.

 

I think you will be spot on .

[Kinstryfe]

The previous two games seem to have sold very well. If the manufacturing and sculpting resources clear up, I'm sure they'd have no problem making another boxed game.

 

However, given that their production is being found lacking just for their normal releases at the moment, and Necromunda and possibly Adeptus Titanicus are on the horizon, I think the odds of such a box happening before late 2018 or later are pretty slim. I just don't think they could manage to physically manufacture it unless they put it in a 40k or AoS relate l release slot.

 

Plus, the thread has already been Primaris'd, so there's that.

[Corswain]

The plastics and games were created because they Heresy was such a popular setting in the Hobby and given the apparent success of the box games, that poularity doesn’t seem to have diminished

 

Money talks, and GW/FW aren’t about to give up on a product that makes them so much.

I don’t think Primaris have any impact on Heresy development, but I do think that the lack of rules support after 8th Edition has slowed down some of the community’s enthusiasm.

 

More than that, I think it comes down to limited resources. Specialty games/FW are relatively small and as others have mentioned they have Necromunda and Adeptus Titanicus on the go at the moment. No time for more Heresy.

 

Once those releases are done though, I’m sure we will see more Heresy setting boxed games.

[utilityzero]

I'm a bit torn at the moment.

 

I think the Primaris are actually a reason to believe in future plastic HH releases. Basically by relegating 'normal' marines to second class citizens and working them out of 40k, they create even more of a gap between HH and 40k. Then you can't just buy BaC and paint them as UM and use them in both games. Also maybe HH becomes the game for older modelers and gamers who want the older style plastic marines with more options while 40k marines are the shiny, practically mono-pose primaris.

 

But with GW's new method of drip feeding us with releases it casts a lot of doubt for me on what exactly they have planned in the future for any of their game lines.

[Ascanius]

More than that, I think it comes down to limited resources. Specialty games/FW are relatively small and as others have mentioned they have Necromunda and Adeptus Titanicus on the go at the moment. No time for more Heresy.

 

I'm under the impression that it was Games Workshop's main Studio department that produced both of the Horus Heresy boardgames so far. They adapted Forge World's model designs from resin to plastic, obviously, but I thought Forge World wasn't involved otherwise.

[Fire Golem]

 

More than that, I think it comes down to limited resources. Specialty games/FW are relatively small and as others have mentioned they have Necromunda and Adeptus Titanicus on the go at the moment. No time for more Heresy.

 

 

I'm under the impression that it was Games Workshop's main Studio department that produced both of the Horus Heresy boardgames so far. They adapted Forge World's model designs from resin to plastic, obviously, but I thought Forge World wasn't involved otherwise.

I’m pretty sure when the specialist games studio was announced they mentioned that BaC was the first project they’d done.

[m0nolith]

I love the fact that people who are convinced that people at GW arent going to make more HH plasic sets because they live in a fictional world where GW doesn't like making money.

[Corswain]

I love the fact that people who are convinced that people at GW arent going to make more HH plasic sets because they live in a fictional world where GW doesn't like making money.

To be fair, if we all loved money so much we probably wouldn’t spend so much of it on little plastic men. ;)

 

Totally agree with your point though.

[Kinstryfe]

I love the fact that people who are convinced that people at GW arent going to make more HH plasic sets because they live in a fictional world where GW doesn't like making money.

Personally, I wonder if they'd stand to make more by making HH plastic kits that aren't tied to a boxed game. The boxes are a phenomenal deal, which is certainly part of why people buy so many of them, but I wonder what % of boxes are ever actually used for the games they include. Individual kits could also slot much more nicely into a small release schedule. Instead of a box of 30 MkVI Marines with the requisite other goodies for about $150us, they could pop out a MkVI box for $50 a pop and only need to produce one sprue instead of 4-6 separate sprues. They'd lose volume of sales, of course, but it would be a lesser strain on their production and still be pretty much guaranteed to sell enough to be worth the effort.

 

That said, I very much expect we'll see more HH stuff in plastic one way or another. Just like Primarchs, it's pretty much a license to print money for GW.

[Xwingt65]

I doubt we will se another HH box set. I would be massively surprised if Primaris wasn’t the main focus for marines going forward, in terms of plastic kits. Also Would be surprised if we won’t see a large selection of FW Primaris related items in the coming months.

[Stoic Raptor]

If GW loved making money so much, they wouldn't leave so much of it on the table.  But they continue to cling to concepts like artificial scarcity - allegedly to hype a product, but that's a sham because there's no point in hyping a product you can't sell.  Seriously?  Don't tell me you haven't heard GW say "we were surprised by the unexpected demand for this product" a number of times, even fairly recently.

 

And just because they love making money, doesn't mean they'll produce what you might expect.  I'm sure they have plans - and I'm sure that right now, those plans are for models for the several new Codices they've released or are about to release.  Oh, Specialist Games, you say?  You might have heard of Necromunda - you can count on that being the focus of their attention for the next several months.

 

As I said before, there's no time window in their release schedule for the near-to-mid future.  Even if they had the resources to make a new HH box and release it now, they'd be competing against themselves with all the other new releases they've got lined up.

 

It's still easy enough to find the other two HH boxes on the shelves, which should give an idea of GW's marketability outlook on the project.

 

Another HH box might happen... but not any time soon.

[Zuvassin]

I love the fact that people who are convinced that people at GW arent going to make more HH plasic sets because they live in a fictional world where GW doesn't like making money.

 

You mean the Games Workshop that has:

 

• Retired one of the main tanks (Land Raiders) of their main army (Marines), and essentially awaited an entire edition (2nd) before releasing its replacement in 3rd edition?

   

• That released its first brand new army in years (Dark Eldar), and then waited 12 years and two editions to release the next edition of their codex?

   

• That could have made a mint selling an all mk6 kit, or at least provide an upgrade sprue of them, since introducing the 3rd edition multi-part plastics in 1998?

   

• That went 10 years between the 3rd edition and 4th edition codexes for one of its major xenos races (Orks), and then waited 6 years and three editions to release the next update?

   

• That has still left most of the elite units for another major xenos army, Eldar Aspect Warriors, with finecast/resin models that, while nice, mostly pre-date at least four armies (Dark Eldar, Orks, Necrons, and Tyranids) getting complete range overhauls?

   

• That still hasn't maximized the fandom for Sisters of Battle and esp the Inquisition, despite the amount of Imperial players that make use of what's available (e.g. Assassins), and despite continuing to showcase in White Dwarf the popularity of the Blanchitsu world of Inq28 and attendant conversions?

 

I love GW to death and the past two years have shown they mostly make the right decisions and are obviously being very successful, but...they are far from perfect, and they still make or have lingering a lot of decisions that just do not make the most sense at times.

Edited October 16, 2017 by Zuvassin

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

Four of those issues are from early GW, who are nearly a completely different entity than the current GW. It would be like comparing LEGO when it was still a toy shop making wooden carvings to the current LEGO design model involving licensing and multiple different brick systems in addition to the classic plug and socket, round-head, square-body figures.

 

The last two show consumer bias and naivete. If SoB and certain non-plastic models would sell well, GW would make them, because that's how economics works. Most likely, the demand is severely overestimated by rabid fans, and no, Veridyian selling out isn't a good benchmark of demand. GW has given DE an entire plastic range revamp, and look how it turned out. They aren't a very popular faction outside the initial sales boost. There is a reason GW churns out Marine releases constantly.

 

If something will sell, GW will do it. They even toss out video game licenses like candy to the worst developers possible. IF IT WOULD MAKE MONEY, THEY WOULD DO IT. It's obvious that things like SoB either won't sell enough that they're even less worth making than all these random plastic limited edition models they make and then never produce again, or there is some other internal thing going on preventing them from being released right now.

 

The only thing stupider than saying "GW is stupid for not doing this, because it would sell" is honestly thinking GW is stupid enough to not want money. If you don't work in production, sales, management, finances, or some other business sector, or haven't taken university level courses/certification for it, you PROBABLY don't know as much about potential sales figures as the guys with all the data and experience do.

[Noserenda]

The Heresy side of forge world is pretty clearly in freefall at the moment, id suspect nothing anytime soon given the lead time on these boxes with them probably losing at least a year overall recovering from their losses. Id possibly expect it to tie into Angelus and the 8th ed update probably around Q4 2018. :( 

[Stoic Raptor]

I don't buy the arguments of "if it would sell well, they'd make it" or "if people would buy it, they'd do it" - not even with the "New GW".  There are a lot of things they could have released in greater quantity instead of leaving people out in the cold.

 

That argument only holds water if the company shows a history of having its finger on the pulse of the market - that's not evident yet.  Fine, so I don't have a degree in business - but there's one thing I know that GW apparently doesn't... and that's what I want.

[Ogun]

I'm not really sure why there is such a conviction that the Heresy is in free fall. It is only just over three months since 8th ed hit and both GW and FW release schedules will still be focused on that, and will probably remain so until Christmas. That's what happened with AoS. It is worth remembering that Inferno was only released at the beginning of this year afterall. 

Release schedules are planned years in advance. GW knew 8th ed was coming a few years back, just as they knew BaC and Prospero were being developed. Any development in plastic is a longterm commitment. Once GW has the plate spinning nicely for 8th it will be rushing over to keep the plates spinning for both AoS and HH, that's the way schedules work. 

There have been rumours of a Phall box with breachers for ages now, and I remember when that was considered far more likely than a Prospero themed release (who imagined plastic Custodes afterall!). I reckon that is still out their and we will probably see it coming in 2018. A mark V release when the novel series hits the Siege of Terra is also pretty likely in my opinion. 

[m_r_parker]

There have been rumours of a Phall box with breachers for ages now, and I remember when that was considered far more likely than a Prospero themed release (who imagined plastic Custodes afterall!). I reckon that is still out their and we will probably see it coming in 2018. A mark V release when the novel series hits the Siege of Terra is also pretty likely in my opinion.

I don’t ever recall seeing a solid rumour about a Phallanx boxset. The best I can remember is when rumours of a second box were out there, there were discussions about what good scenarios / settings there were and Phallanx was mentioned. I think I was one of the guys who said it was a good idea, and logical tthinking a degree. Having been to most of the FW events over the past couple of years, and spoken to a lot of the guys over there, the concept of a Phallanx box set with plastic breachers has not been on the table.

If it does turn out to be a thing, I won’t be complaining, but so far I think it’s entirely wishlisting from the Community (myself included)

[Black Cohort]

I don't know about other areas but in my area (somewhere between 750,000 and a million people in the metro area) HH went from booming growth off the back of HH plastics to dead with the move to 8th and HH staying with 7th. We had a busy Facebook group with multiple posts a day of guys with WIP, finished models, looking for games, semi-frequent plans for group forgeworld orders, now the group is completely dead and it died within one month of 8th coming out. My guess is it will stay that way until HH updates to 8th, which would be a good time to launch more plastics.