Scions as troops - how do you run your squads?

[narcolepticltd]

Curious on consensus here - if you're running storm troopers as some of your troops choices, do you go for the minimum of 5 or fill them out to 10? I'm considering running them as well as regular infantry squads (not concerning myself with the tempestus doctrine for this particular topic). 

[tychobi]

5 man 2 special suicide drop.  Hot shot is kinda meh

[Guardsman Bob]

They’re dropped so close to enemy mine haven’t lived long enough between the shooting and charges to warrant buying extra bodies. Bringing more is just asking for moral checks.

 

In theory I can imagine hitting a less sparse area where the extra numbers might matter. Haven’t seen it yet. Besides multiple small units are easier to allocate anyways.

[CaptainMarsh]

I run a 2k Tempestus army. When you are running an army and not a small detachment side thing, 10-man units are good. I tend to run 6 full ten man Scion squads, 3 with full compliment of HSVG, 3 with full compliment of Plasma. Hot Shot Lasguns are meh, but when they do get through, they can wreck face pretty easily. With six Taurox Primes and four Tempestor Primes to round it out, it has proven a sufficiently powerful and durable list, enough so that my record for them in 8th is the best record I have for any of my armies.

[seriade]

I run a 2k Tempestus army. When you are running an army and not a small detachment side thing, 10-man units are good. I tend to run 6 full ten man Scion squads, 3 with full compliment of HSVG, 3 with full compliment of Plasma. Hot Shot Lasguns are meh, but when they do get through, they can wreck face pretty easily. With six Taurox Primes and four Tempestor Primes to round it out, it has proven a sufficiently powerful and durable list, enough so that my record for them in 8th is the best record I have for any of my armies.

Could you please post the list i would like to see it in its entirety?

 

As i feel trying to figure it out from this post has me not really working the points properly.

 

Thanks

[CaptainMarsh]

 

I run a 2k Tempestus army. When you are running an army and not a small detachment side thing, 10-man units are good. I tend to run 6 full ten man Scion squads, 3 with full compliment of HSVG, 3 with full compliment of Plasma. Hot Shot Lasguns are meh, but when they do get through, they can wreck face pretty easily. With six Taurox Primes and four Tempestor Primes to round it out, it has proven a sufficiently powerful and durable list, enough so that my record for them in 8th is the best record I have for any of my armies.

Could you please post the list i would like to see it in its entirety?

 

As i feel trying to figure it out from this post has me not really working the points properly.

 

Thanks

 

 

Brigade- 961

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

Power Fist

Command Rod

 

Scion Squad x 3: 143 x 3 (429)

Scion- Vox-Caster W/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Volley-Guns

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

 

Brigade- 937

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

 

Scion Squad x 3: 135 x 3 (405)

Scion- Vox-Caster w/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Scion- 4 Plasma Gun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons 

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

This is 1898 points. From here I do one of a few things. If I think I need more pure AT firepower, I add a command squad with melta guns and a vox caster. This brings me to 1997 points, at which point I am cool. If I think I need more anti-horde, I do the same with a command squad of flamers, which leaves me points short but rarely matters. If I need more melee, I hand out Power Fists instead of chainswords to my Tempestors.

 

If I need Psychic, I would bring in two Primaris Psykers and an Astropath and that would get me at 1999. 

 

With the new codex, points changes to Plasma guns and Taurox Prime work out like this: 102 extra points which, now that I look at it, means the above list is 2000 exactly. Don't get the ability to do anything more, but it works.

[Halfpint100]

I usually run 3 x 5 man squads with a prime. 2 have 2 plasma guns and 1 plasma pistol and 1 is 2 melta (they often don't do much. but are a good distraction)

[micahwc]

I have 15 scions and two tempestor primes, so when I run them as troops I tend to run them 3x5 with 2x plasma in two squads, and 2x melta in the third. Tempestors have plasma pistols as well. If I wanted to minimize drops I would probably run 1 tempestor, 1 command squad with all 4 plasma, and then a squad of 10 with 2 melta.

[gunnyogrady]

Two squads of 5 with 2x Meltaguns in each, helping to fill out the Troops choices in a Brigade Detachment along with 4 Infantry Squads.

 

I have found that 4 Meltaguns spread out across two squads (plus the scattered hotshots) are sufficient to do pretty good damage to a single unit, sometimes destroying it. At that point, the enemy wastes a lot of firepower to kill them, and that is fire that isn't directed at my tanks and infantry squads.

 

I experimented with the above plus a Command Squad with 4x Meltagun, and also a Prime. I found that I was paying too many points for what was ultimately a point-click-delete suicide unit. 8 Meltaguns (6 with orders) was overkill for most things, and the three squads of Scions plus an HQ was too many points for a suicide attack.

[Kimbo]

 

 

 

 

I run a 2k Tempestus army. When you are running an army and not a small detachment side thing, 10-man units are good. I tend to run 6 full ten man Scion squads, 3 with full compliment of HSVG, 3 with full compliment of Plasma. Hot Shot Lasguns are meh, but when they do get through, they can wreck face pretty easily. With six Taurox Primes and four Tempestor Primes to round it out, it has proven a sufficiently powerful and durable list, enough so that my record for them in 8th is the best record I have for any of my armies.

Could you please post the list i would like to see it in its entirety?

 

As i feel trying to figure it out from this post has me not really working the points properly.

 

Thanks

Brigade- 961

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

Power Fist

Command Rod

 

Scion Squad x 3: 143 x 3 (429)

Scion- Vox-Caster W/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Volley-Guns

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

 

Brigade- 937

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

 

Scion Squad x 3: 135 x 3 (405)

Scion- Vox-Caster w/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Scion- 4 Plasma Gun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

This is 1898 points. From here I do one of a few things. If I think I need more pure AT firepower, I add a command squad with melta guns and a vox caster. This brings me to 1997 points, at which point I am cool. If I think I need more anti-horde, I do the same with a command squad of flamers, which leaves me points short but rarely matters. If I need more melee, I hand out Power Fists instead of chainswords to my Tempestors.

 

If I need Psychic, I would bring in two Primaris Psykers and an Astropath and that would get me at 1999.

 

With the new codex, points changes to Plasma guns and Taurox Prime work out like this: 102 extra points which, now that I look at it, means the above list is 2000 exactly. Don't get the ability to do anything more, but it works.

Cool list! But aint that 2x Battalions'?

 

Do you think going no command squads is good?

 

Thinking about a full scion list myself!

[Withershadow]

Each detachment has 6 scion squads, so that's two brigades for a ludicrous 21 command points starting out. :D

 

I do have a question about that list, are the power fists on the Tempestor Primes worthwhile?  Seems like a lot of points for just 3 attacks on a squishy model.

 

I don't have that many Scions, so I'll always be running mixed lists, but I'm contemplating how to best support this for my next few games.

 

Tempestor Prime w/ Command Rod

Command Squad with 4x meltaguns

10x Scions with PP, 4x plasmas

 

Tempestor Prime w/ Command Rod

Command Squad with 4x hot-shot volley guns

10x Scions with PP, 4x plasmas

 

Not sure how I'll run them, probably as a pair of patrol detachments if I don't need the additional troops to get brigade bonuses.  With the Tempestus relic, could probably split the plasma squads into 5-man teams.

[Brother Talarian]

Don't you also need x3 heavy and x3 FA, as well as x6 troops for a brigade?

 

I generally flip bewteeen x2 plasma and x2 melts like most people... although I'm tempted to try a x10 man squad with 4 HSVG of simply a x10 man squad just because they look cool

[duz_]

Am I missing something? Scions can't form brigades and keep their RTs. Brigades also need 3x FA, elite and HS. None which MT have regimental options for?

Best u could do is 3x Battalions maximise CPs and keep RTs.

[CaptainMarsh]

 

 

 

I run a 2k Tempestus army. When you are running an army and not a small detachment side thing, 10-man units are good. I tend to run 6 full ten man Scion squads, 3 with full compliment of HSVG, 3 with full compliment of Plasma. Hot Shot Lasguns are meh, but when they do get through, they can wreck face pretty easily. With six Taurox Primes and four Tempestor Primes to round it out, it has proven a sufficiently powerful and durable list, enough so that my record for them in 8th is the best record I have for any of my armies.

Could you please post the list i would like to see it in its entirety?

 

As i feel trying to figure it out from this post has me not really working the points properly.

 

Thanks

Brigade- 961

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

Power Fist

Command Rod

 

Scion Squad x 3: 143 x 3 (429)

Scion- Vox-Caster W/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Volley-Guns

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

 

Brigade- 937

 

Tempestor Prime x 2: 50 x 2 (100)

 

Scion Squad x 3: 135 x 3 (405)

Scion- Vox-Caster w/HS Laspistol

Scion- 4 HS Lasgun

Scion- 4 Plasma Gun

Tempestor- Plasma Pistol w/Chainsword

 

Taurox Prime x 3: 144 x 3 (432)

2 Autocannons

Heavy Stubber

Taurox Missile Launcher

 

This is 1898 points. From here I do one of a few things. If I think I need more pure AT firepower, I add a command squad with melta guns and a vox caster. This brings me to 1997 points, at which point I am cool. If I think I need more anti-horde, I do the same with a command squad of flamers, which leaves me points short but rarely matters. If I need more melee, I hand out Power Fists instead of chainswords to my Tempestors.

 

If I need Psychic, I would bring in two Primaris Psykers and an Astropath and that would get me at 1999.

 

With the new codex, points changes to Plasma guns and Taurox Prime work out like this: 102 extra points which, now that I look at it, means the above list is 2000 exactly. Don't get the ability to do anything more, but it works.

Cool list! But aint that 2x Battalions'?

 

Do you think going no command squads is good?

 

Thinking about a full scion list myself!

 

 

Yes, two battalions. My bad. Only brigade i cab ever do across all my armies are standard guard.

Edited October 10, 2017 by CaptainMarsh

[Halfpint100]

Each detachment has 6 scion squads, so that's two brigades for a ludicrous 21 command points starting out.

 

I do have a question about that list, are the power fists on the Tempestor Primes worthwhile?  Seems like a lot of points for just 3 attacks on a squishy model.

 

I don't have that many Scions, so I'll always be running mixed lists, but I'm contemplating how to best support this for my next few games.

 

Tempestor Prime w/ Command Rod

Command Squad with 4x meltaguns

10x Scions with PP, 4x plasmas

 

Tempestor Prime w/ Command Rod

Command Squad with 4x hot-shot volley guns

10x Scions with PP, 4x plasmas

 

Not sure how I'll run them, probably as a pair of patrol detachments if I don't need the additional troops to get brigade bonuses.  With the Tempestus relic, could probably split the plasma squads into 5-man teams.

 

If you could make one more srg and split one of the 10man squads into 2 5 man squads. these guys can make a battalion for a tasty +3 CP

[Kimbo]

Guys! How do you convert more scions with Plasma? The box only containes 1...and i need alot more! Tip?

 

Cheers!

Edited October 12, 2017 by Kimbo

[Tyr13]

You buy more boxes ofc. /s

Nah, you should be able to just use other plasma guns, like from the cadian command sprue, or possibly SM plasma guns (not sure about the scale though).
Bits sites might also work if you want the models to be completely consistent.

[Harrowmaster]

If you're not afraid of third party, Anvil Industry have good special weapons

[Kimbo]

You buy more boxes ofc. /s

 

Nah, you should be able to just use other plasma guns, like from the cadian command sprue, or possibly SM plasma guns (not sure about the scale though).

Bits sites might also work if you want the models to be completely consistent.

Yeah...that what i'll do! Thanks!

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Space marine special weapons are fine - imperial special weapons are consistent in size whether they are on marines or guardsmen.

[Halfpint100]

Guys! How do you convert more scions with Plasma? The box only containes 1...and i need alot more! Tip?

 

Cheers!

 

Ebay for me, bought 2 boxes and 2 plasma guns off ebay