M42 - won't most mortal human special characters be dead?

[Ishagu]

Ultramarines have nothing outside of their unique characters.

 

Even the existing Primaris options are available to everyone else. They deserve a unique units or two.

[deathspectersgt7]

 

 

 

Codex says he went missing with his ship while Guilliman was organizing the Indomitus Crusade. So he did return during the book? That's a shame. I was hoping for a Primaris Sicarius leading a Primaris Victrix Guard

 

 

Tbh I don't really want the UM to get anything else that's new. I'd like to see a chapter like the DA get the Primaris treatment, to see how Primaris work in a different aesthetic.

 

You had to open that can of worms.

[Dosjetka]

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[Sete]

Oh Ishagu you...

Maybe it's time to introduce some new heroes for the Guard?

[Ishagu]

Oh Ishagu you...

Maybe it's time to introduce some new heroes for the Guard?

Great idea.

Ultramar's auxiliary forces are some of, if not the best, Astra Militarum regiments in the galaxy. They could do with some unique model representation :-D

[Eddie Orlock]

Ultramarines have nothing outside of their unique characters.

Tyrannic War Veterans.

[Sete]

 

Oh Ishagu you...

Maybe it's time to introduce some new heroes for the Guard?

Great idea.

Ultramar's auxiliary forces are some of, if not the best, Astra Militarum regiments in the galaxy. They could do with some unique model representation :-D

Lucifer Blacks have been mentioned again in Emperor's Legion, so I would like to see them.

[Maatith]

 

 

Oh Ishagu you...

Maybe it's time to introduce some new heroes for the Guard?

Great idea.

Ultramar's auxiliary forces are some of, if not the best, Astra Militarum regiments in the galaxy. They could do with some unique model representation :-D

Lucifer Blacks have been mentioned again in Emperor's Legion, so I would like to see them.

Does the book go into any detail about why they’re about? Last we heard timeline-wise (I think?) was that they were disbanded in M32?

[Sete]

Nah it just says they are guarding the High Lords. Does not go into detail.

[Petitioner's City]

Basically there are lots of heritage Imperial Army regiments in the solar system. The Blacks are referenced as one you will likely have heard of, but others are less famous abroad.

[Sandlemad]

In M32 the Lucifer Blacks had lost their edge though. They were ceremonial bodyguards puffed up by a famous name, not the multi-disciplinary espionage experts of the Unifcation Wars. Makes you wonder if the Lucifer Blacks of M42 are competent or not.

[Demoulius]

I actually had a conversation with some buddies about this yesterday.

 

Im unsure of how the timeline got shifted forward? If it was an actuall 2000 years of fighting (which I dont think it was) then yea, even with rejuvenation and bionics all humans would be basicly be dead if they arent held up by bigger plot armour then the one Kaldor Draigo has got floating around...

 

I see some references of 100 years of fighting? Human could only live that long and receive rejuve treatment if they are alive to receive it. Unaugmented humans die rather easily in the 40k universe. I really dont see them realisticly still beeing around.

 

Then again this is a setting where space ships travel through hell to go places faster, and while doing so could actually arrive 100 years prior to the point in time from which they departed.... So its not like it would be the weirdest thing to happen in the setting

[N1SB]

 

Im unsure of how the timeline got shifted forward?

 

It's a good question we skip over, because the codices and most books kinda gloss over it too!  It's mentioned in the novel Dark Imperium, here's the "timeline":

 

1st to most of 7th ed --> Gathering Storm (Fall of Cadia, etc.) --> Indomitus Crusade --> Konor Campaign (summer event) --> now

 

The novel Dark Imperium mainly focused on the final days/weeks/months of the Indomitus Crusade (which you may remember Roboute Guilliman declares in the YouTube video).  They mention...repeatedly in the book...that it lasted 112 years.  It was like, "my Primaris Brothers, we've fought together for 112 years", "the bell tolled 112 times, once for each year of the campaign", "...oh, finally, after 112 years", etc.

 

That 112 year duration is how they trained up all the Primaris Marines and distributed them to all the Chapters, including any new custom Chapters you make, etc.

 

So when we talk about this 100 year gap, it basically comes from this.  It made the Primaris make sense, but raises questions for, say, Imperial Guard characters.

[the jeske]

imperial rejuv, that does not make you end up a sentinent servitor works for around 200 extra years. After that you more or less have to either clone a new body and replace the body parts[illegal] or go the ad mecha man in a can way of doing things. So for dudes that were on the brink [cortez fluff for example] of rejuv failing to work, should technicly be dead [or mecha or demon possessed]

[Stoic Raptor]

I'm not sure why rejuvenating military leaders "strains credibility".  Sure, they are in a hazardous line of work, and it might not seem cost-effective to rejuvenate someone who might/could/will get killed... but if you're not investing in your finest military minds, who else would you rejuvenate?  You want to keep your best generals on the job as long as possible.'

 

Retirement is not exactly part of the Imperial military mindset.

[the jeske]

the thing is the rejuvenation process does not work at ad finitum. part of cortez fluff was that on him it stoped working, he knew that the only way to keep fighting was to us the power chaos. This was in fluff pre blowing up cadia. He should either be dead or demonic, if he works now.

[Petitioner's City]

imperial rejuv, that does not make you end up a sentinent servitor works for around 200 extra years. After that you more or less have to either clone a new body and replace the body parts[illegal] or go the ad mecha man in a can way of doing things. So for dudes that were on the brink [cortez fluff for example] of rejuv failing to work, should technicly be dead [or mecha or demon possessed]

 

Do you have a source for this? Can you quote the Cortez entry, and does it suggest this is a widespread phenomenon? Also 200 years - where does that come from?

[Ascanius]

Certainly it seems like Eisenhorn, for instance, lives much longer - born 198.M41, still alive in 461.M41 when Alizebeth Bequin's stasis tube went missing . . .

[Master Commander Ajax]

The impression I'm getting is that GamesWorkshop themselves don't really know. 

[Azekai]

'Rejuvenat treatments' are actually just plot armor milkshakes.

[SpAcEGhOsT095]

This thread led to a horrible thought. What if the mortal heroes of the Imperium are like the Venture Brothers. Clones replaced by clones, because they keep dying. That would be something the Inquisition would want to keep secret. 

[Eddie Orlock]

... Clones replaced by clones, because they keep dying. That would be something the Inquisition would want to keep secret.

They already tried that. It didn't work out so well.

[N1SB]

 

... Clones replaced by clones, because they keep dying. That would be something the Inquisition would want to keep secret.

They already tried that. It didn't work out so well.

 

 

This is hilarious and I must make a Detachment of these guys.  I didn't know about this because I was away from The Hobby at the time.

[SpAcEGhOsT095]

That Afriel Strain sounds really interesting. Seems like the biggest problem they had was not using Sly Marbo. I wonder if this was poking fun at the trope about armies of super soldiers. Or, this being 40k,  the Imperium isn't allowed to have really cool things.

[Ishagu]

I'm using Macharius as my AM commander now.

Who do you guys think has the rules to best represent him?