CornishMike Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Having faced off against 3 x GK knights (and lost heavily), I began thinking about how I could run more smite, with survivable librarians, which brought be to Librarian dreads... How viable is it to run three of them (or more if taking the elite detachment)? Do they hold up long enough to be nasty? I was thinking of running them all with either shield (keep them all together and have them cast it on each other), for survivability, or unleash rage to cast just before hitting melee... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palwatch Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Why is more smite the answer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Having faced off against 3 x GK knights (and lost heavily), I began thinking about how I could run more smite, with survivable librarians, which brought be to Librarian dreads... How viable is it to run three of them (or more if taking the elite detachment)? Do they hold up long enough to be nasty? I was thinking of running them all with either shield (keep them all together and have them cast it on each other), for survivability, or unleash rage to cast just before hitting melee... You can attempt to cast a psychic power only once per turn except for smite. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Not convinced that Libby Dreads are the answer you are looking for. The CCWs on a Dreadknight will still do nasty damage to Libby Dread and as pointed out above, you cannot spam any of your Sanguinary powers. Extra Deny rolls are useful but Libby Dreads are an expensive way to get these. I am tempted to say that Storm Ravens may be a better answer to GKNDs. You have buckets of dice to throw at them and their anti-tank/aircraft shooting is pretty mediocre. Also they cannot charge a flyer which means their expensive and dangerous CCWs are kept out of the fight. Add in a Culexus to mess with their psychic powers a bit and block their Smiting and you are in good shape. Put a Libby Dread in one Raven and Mephiston in another and you have 2 units that can deliver a knock-out blow to the DKs once they have been softened up by your shooting. Hammernators in a Raven are also good provided you have the Culexus to stop them being Smitten. Not especially Blood Angelish but it should be workable. I appreciate the Culexus might feel like a cop-out but if your opponent is bringing multiple DKs at low point levels then I think it is fair game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palwatch Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Also, if he's running a Grand Master in a Dreadknight, a las/missile launcher dev squad is pretty great because its >10 wounds mean you can erase an important character fairly early. A few scouts to bubble the devs makes them very resistant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryHarlequin Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Not especially Blood Angelish but it should be workable. I appreciate the Culexus might feel like a cop-out but if your opponent is bringing multiple DKs at low point levels then I think it is fair game. Culexus are super cheap and super powerful if your opponent has a few psykers in their team. If you pair one with Mephiston then you have a really nasty anti-psyker killing machine too. 2 Deny's at -2 on their roll.. I've used this combination effectively in a couple of battles recently to good success. Culexus are really hard to kill as well, as everything hits on 6's which isn't to be sniffed at Edited October 9, 2017 by SanguinaryHarlequin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I would take riflemen dreads to protect your libby dreads a full dread army backed by storm ravens isn't terrible. Decent wound pool followed by good toughness. Add some scouts for scoring/ignore alpha strike. I think 3 libby dreads backed by 3-5 riflemen dreads would be fairly ace. Double Raven or triple talon/hawk gives you great outs to triple dreadknights. Even with decent shooting you should be able to kill 2.5 a turn. Which really helps when you have to play that nasty 9 dreadknight list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I was going to recommend a couple of multi wound cheap Smite soakers. Like a Rhino or two....just something to put up front and soak up the smite mortal wounds, since it has to be the closest model. And/or after he charges in to wreck them with Dreadknights, you counter-attack with whatever your anti-tank units are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4904973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crimson Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 At the moment anything more than 2 librairians is probably wasted because once shield and rage is manifedted the 3rd psycher can only use smite or blood boil (that does less dmg than smite ) That being said adding a librairian to an army brings some good buffs with those powers. Normal Librairian with Jump Pack are good to follow JP units. Terminator Librairian can teleport and is very hard to take down if you equip them with a storm shield. Dreadnought Librairian have high toughness and good melee punch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaniss Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 At the moment anything more than 2 librairians is probably wasted because once shield and rage is manifedted the 3rd psycher can only use smite or blood boil (that does less dmg than smite ) I think you've gotten confused - the same Psyker model can't cast a psychic power again. It's not one cast per army :) As for Librarian Dreadnoughts themselves I agree with Karhedronuk in that you probably don't want a load of them, better to get cheaper ordinary Librarians if you do want to go Psyker heavy I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) At the moment anything more than 2 librairians is probably wasted because once shield and rage is manifedted the 3rd psycher can only use smite or blood boil (that does less dmg than smite )I think you've gotten confused - the same Psyker model can't cast a psychic power again. It's not one cast per army No, Brother Crimson is right. BRB page 215, matched play mission rules. Psychic Focus With the Exception of Smite, each psychic power can be attempted only once per turn, rather than once per psyker per turn. Obviously this is only in matched play but since that is the dominant format, I think most discussions here take that as a given. Edited October 10, 2017 by Karhedronuk Arkaniss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaniss Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Oh wow, so we've been playing that completely wrong! Cheers for the correction - I shall pass it on to my gaming group! Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Here's an all dreadnought list I could get behind. Flavor to taste. Carmine Ancients[113 PL, 1991pts] Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Blood Angels) [29 PL, 521pts] HQ Chief Librarian Mephiston [8 PL, 145pts] Elites Dreadnought [7 PL, 136pts] Twin autocannon, Twin autocannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 128pts] Missile launcher, Twin autocannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 112pts] Missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [84 PL, 1470pts] HQ Librarian Dreadnought [10 PL, 192pts] Furioso fist, Storm bolter Librarian Dreadnought [10 PL, 192pts] Furioso fist, Storm bolter Troops Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Elites Dreadnought [7 PL, 145pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 129pts] Twin heavy bolter Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter Storm bolter Dreadnought [7 PL, 145pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Furioso Dreadnought [10 PL, 191pts] Furioso fist (pair), Meltagun, Smoke launchers, Storm bolter Flyer Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 311pts] 2x Stormstrike missile launcher, Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta Two hurricane bolters 2x Hurricane bolter Created with BattleScribe Edited October 10, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crimson Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Oh wow, so we've been playing that completely wrong! Cheers for the correction - I shall pass it on to my gaming group! Dont be shy, it took us a month before we realized this rule was "hidden" on the matched play section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here's an all dreadnought list I could get behind. Flavor to taste. Carmine Ancients[113 PL, 1991pts] Vanguard Detachment (Imperium - Blood Angels) [29 PL, 521pts] HQ Chief Librarian Mephiston [8 PL, 145pts] Elites Dreadnought [7 PL, 136pts] Twin autocannon, Twin autocannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 128pts] Missile launcher, Twin autocannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 112pts] Missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [84 PL, 1470pts] HQ Librarian Dreadnought [10 PL, 192pts] Furioso fist, Storm bolter Librarian Dreadnought [10 PL, 192pts] Furioso fist, Storm bolter Troops Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Boltgun Scout Sergeant Bolt pistol, Boltgun Elites Dreadnought [7 PL, 145pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Dreadnought [7 PL, 129pts] Twin heavy bolter Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter Storm bolter Dreadnought [7 PL, 145pts] Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Furioso Dreadnought [10 PL, 191pts] Furioso fist (pair), Meltagun, Smoke launchers, Storm bolter Flyer Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 311pts] 2x Stormstrike missile launcher, Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta Two hurricane bolters 2x Hurricane bolter Created with BattleScribe That list certainly has quite a few Dreadnoughts but it's definitely no all dreadnought list lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 ObSec is too important not to have at least some of it. SRs are just about staples in marine lists these days Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, just saying it's not an "all" dreadnought list like you claimed. A true all dreadnought list wouldn't have any other models than dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4905992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Read all dreadnought. First thing i saw Mephiston. XD Jokes beside. I ran an "pure" (with drop pods) dread list in 7th and was very successful. Now it would be fun to run but i think that it would have a hard time. I will try it out one day just for the lols. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4906485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Read all dreadnought. First thing i saw Mephiston. XD Jokes beside. I ran an "pure" (with drop pods) dread list in 7th and was very successful. Now it would be fun to run but i think that it would have a hard time. I will try it out one day just for the lols. :D In my defense that's battle scribe's fault. He was part of the 2nd detachment, he just gor posted first. Unfortunately ObSec is too important to leave out. Also, Mephiston is basically a mini dreadnought anyway with S10 attacks and a load of wounds. ;) But Riot, would you add in your Leviathan dread and contemptors over the riflemen dreads? Riot Earp 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4906574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Ive made a list with him but he eats a lot of points. I will field him because he is cool. But if you want to be efficient i would take more dreads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4906620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 GK are really good at stopping your powers, they get a +1 to deny and casting. It's tricky to go into a psychic war with them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340190-librarian-dread-spam/#findComment-4907647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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