Why does Curze's . . .

[b1soul]

combat precog seem to be off when he fights the Lion?

 

Isn't this a bit of an obvious inconsistency.

 

He should've been able to avoid being stabbed in the stomach and slashed across the throat, yes?

 

Simply a case of different authours with different takes?

[Phoebus]

That’s exactly what it is. Abnett’s Heresy work gets a lot of stick, but if you ask me his only real failings were putting Vulkan in “Hulk Smash!” mode and turning Curze’s power of prophecy - originally a trait that was equal parts as painful as it was limited to revealing glimpses of a tragic future - into Instant Combat Sixth Sense.

[DarkChaplain]

I never took him as being able to see everything blow by blow, moment to moment, ahead of time and being able to avoid what he sees. Isn't the entire point of his fight with Sanguinius and his presence in the Imperium Secundus arc that he cannot escape his visions, that they hold true? He knew he wouldn't die. He knew he would be there, dying to an assassin, decades if not centuries later. He may very well see the strikes made against him like that, but not be capable of dodging even one of them unless he already sees himself as doing so. He is going insane over feeling like his entire being is running on rails and fate inescapable.

[b1soul]

In Pharos by Haley, Curze has Jedi-like combat precog...he knows Sang's moves in advance, blow by blow

 

I suppose another hypothesis is that Curze's near-death experience in Prince of Crows kicked his precog into overdrive...but again, he seems to lack precog in AoC and I recall in UE, it's implied that he's always had real-time, combat precog

Edited October 12, 2017 by b1soul

[DarkChaplain]

The point I was trying to make is that yes, he may see it blow by blow, but can only follow said precognition faithfully anyway. It doesn't give him an actual ability to change things due to his knowledge ahead of time, things will inevitably happen as he gets them telegraphed. He may have known about every move Sanguinius would be making, just as he might have known that the Lion would take him apart with a thousand cuts. In neither case could he have changed the outcome.

[helterskelter]

Curze should be able to do a lot that's been forgotten about.

However it seems "We need a primarch sized villain, who's free? Curze!"

And if you ever read some of the comics Abnett has put into, while generally quite Good, sometimes convenient villain is conveniently doing something.

[TheRealMcCagh]

In my head it's from the Lion's upbringing on Caliban. He learned to shelter his mind from the Beasts (which is mentioned in one of his short stories I believe) and that skill somehow makes him a blind spot in Curze's prophetic visions. Not permanently immune, but when he actively has his 'shield up' Curze can't predict his movements. That's why he was able to sneak up on Curze when he stowed away on the flagship and later when he was able to stab him after their little meeting

[Corswain]

It was mentioned that his precog waxes and wanes. Sometimes it’s going to be good, sometimes it’s useless.