Is there anything or anyone that you REFUSE to play against?

[Kinstryfe]

1. Hygiene. If I wouldn't want to spend two hours in close proximity with you otherwise, I don't want to just to get a game in. There's a reason my flhs has the infamous hygiene warming posted on the front doors, and I could relay some stories from the 90s that are just gag inducing.

2. Sportsmanship. I enjoy the game, but it's not like I have an addiction I'm trying to feed. I'll play almost anyone once, but if you're nitpicking things for advantage (that cocked die fails so keep it, but that one passed so reroll it), I'm probably not a good opponent for you. Don't talk trash constantly. Yes, a little rivalry is fun and good, but telling me I suck because you just killed 8 Conscripts gets really old really fast. Save the gloating for the impressive stuff. Trust me, I'll think it's as cool as you do. Likewise, if you can't handle losing, this may not be the game for you. I don't need to deal with you angrily throwing dice for your rolls and hitting my minis.

3. Communicate like an adult, or at least with maturity. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun, but understand that maybe your jokes about Genestealer beat and Eldar being gay aren't for everyone. Be willing to communicate and explain what you're doing. Don't just roll dice, reroll a bunch, roll some more, and then tell me to make 15 armor saves until you've laid out where the rerolls are coming from, who you're attacking with what, etc. And don't get bent out of shape when it turns out you're wrong, can't reroll multiple times, didn't know a rule, whatever. You'll get one game out of me, but probably not much more unless you can play like a civilized person.

[the jeske]

yes. but this isn't a rule in the codex or army book. This means you for example won't play vs a nazi painted army, someone else won't play vs a imperial first army with the "wrong" shoulder trims, while others may not play vs models that aren't painted at all. It creates chaos and without an outside rule to enforce it[aside for tournaments or other events], someone new to a community would never know, if his army is "ok" to be played against. And this is just painting which isn't even a third or fourth important thing as far as playing the game goes.

[m0nolith]

yes. but this isn't a rule in the codex or army book. This means you for example won't play vs a nazi painted army, someone else won't play vs a imperial first army with the "wrong" shoulder trims, while others may not play vs models that aren't painted at all. It creates chaos and without an outside rule to enforce it[aside for tournaments or other events], someone new to a community would never know, if his army is "ok" to be played against. And this is just painting which isn't even a third or fourth important thing as far as playing the game goes.

Creates chaos?

What are you on about? The false equivalency you created in your example speaks volumes.

If I have to explain to you why others would have a problem playing you if you have a nazi themed army, then you have bigger problems to worry about than just toy soldiers.

[The Doctor Of War]

The swastika isn't a solely Nazi thing, either. It has significance to, IIRC, hindu culture, it's a general good-luck charm and there was once a hockey team (1905 - 1916) in Nova Scotia called the Windsor Swastikas. 

 

Context is for kings. Whilst it's true that the swastika has far older, and wider, roots than the Nazis, it's the context of it's use that is key here.

In a historical wargame, while i would certainly question painting it all over your army because it wasn't that common, i can understand why someone would feature it in their army. But in the context of 40k, i just cannot see a way to justify it's usage.

 

Is it unfortunate that a meaningful symbol was co-opted by a hateful political organization? Absolutely, and maybe one day their taint will have faded to the point where it's not what is immediately brought to mind when the symbol is used. But that's not today in my opinion.

 

I would certainly be rather dubious about playing an opponent who chose to bring that iconography into their 40k army. I don't know if i would immediately refuse to play, but i certainly wouldn't be very comfortable.

 

As to who i would immediately refuse to play? I can't say i've ever been in that position. I guess it would be someone i'd witnessed being a poor sport and exceedingly rude to other opponents. Because at the end of the day, i play for fun, not to allow an egotist to show off. Fortunately i've not really run into that over the past twenty years.

[Kinstryfe]

yes. but this isn't a rule in the codex or army book. This means you for example won't play vs a nazi painted army, someone else won't play vs a imperial first army with the "wrong" shoulder trims, while others may not play vs models that aren't painted at all. It creates chaos and without an outside rule to enforce it[aside for tournaments or other events], someone new to a community would never know, if his army is "ok" to be played against. And this is just painting which isn't even a third or fourth important thing as far as playing the game goes.

True, but that's why it's up to the community to let people know what their standards are, or for individual members to know what their own standards are. "I won't play against literal Nazis" is pretty much the softest possible stance anyone could take. If you wouldn't hang out with someone outside of the hobby shop, there's no reason (outside of a league or tournament setting) to hang out with them in the hobby shop. Likewise, if you refuse to play any army that wouldn't be proper for m32 where your army is set, well, you're not going to get a lot of games in, so you have to either adjust your requirements or deal with having very few games. It will largely vs a self correcting problem.

[deathspectersgt7]

Also people with loaded dice. ( True event)

[Atrus]

The hygene and sportsmanship thing fir sure and anyone bring super cheesy net list to a casual fun game.

 

Aside from that im not sure this edition. In 7th i flatly refused to play against tau.

In 8th i dont know yet. Ive mostly played against varying breeds of space marines due to lack of diversity in my area and lack of time for me to play.

[m0nolith]

Where are all these smelly players I keep hearing about lol?

I've never run into this problem :D

[Kinstryfe]

Where are all these smelly players I keep hearing about lol?

I've never run into this problem :D

You are lucky then. My local shop has to literally have a sign posted on the front door notifying everyone that people who have an offensive standard of hygiene will be asked to leave. There have been some times in the past during card game tournaments where the gaming areas of the store were rendered almost uninhabitable. So I guess the answer to your question is "Michigan".

[deathspectersgt7]

 

Where are all these smelly players I keep hearing about lol?

I've never run into this problem

You are lucky then. My local shop has to literally have a sign posted on the front door notifying everyone that people who have an offensive standard of hygiene will be asked to leave. There have been some times in the past during card game tournaments where the gaming areas of the store were rendered almost uninhabitable. So I guess the answer to your question is "Michigan".

 

That sign is still there .

[Cpt_Reaper]

I cancelled a game once due to two reasons.

 

1) the person insisted on calling my Angels of Shadow a chaos marine warband. "Dark Angels are traitors. So you have a warband." It went further as i set up. They questioned my lack of daemon engines and called my units the chaos equivalent.

 

2) they then set up their army. 6 wraith knights in two detachments. I asked how that was under 2k points. He said it was because his troops and hq were so cheap.

[Wolf_Lord_Hardrada]

IIRC doesn't GW have a 'no real life (national) military symbols' policy? I remember a friend being asked to paint over a Bundeswehr cross on one of his tanks. The rest of the WW2 German army grey scheme was fine, but the real world military tag wasn't.

 

For me though, your paint scheme is your choice, its army composition that I usually take offence at...hear me out...I prefer playing themed/story driven games, whilst it can be fun to have games that boil down to "lets see how well your X guard do against my X wraithlords", I wouldn't expect to turn up in store and play a friendly against a stranger who has a tourney built army, at least not without them telling me before models come out of cases. Cos 9/10 I'm not going to enjoy having my 'balanced' army pasted, in past editions anyway, by deathstar armies.

 Those of you who remember Eye of Terror will recall how strong the chaos/traitor guard lists were, and how powerful daemon princes were. All in all, I play this game for fun, and if the dice turn against me then so be it, but I wouldn't expect to play a random friendly and find three baneblades being set up! That all said, 8th Ed makes busting those kinds of armies a lot easier.

 

As for anyone able to paint dapple pattern camo? I hate you with intense jealousy.

[Arkangilos]

We give symbols the power that they have. If you paint a symbol on your army I don't care. You could paint a swastikia and I still wouldn't care. You could paint a hammer and sickle, and I still wouldn't care.

 

Swastikas were around long before Germany and will be around long after. Heck, my own IBCT (the thunderbird, the 45th) originally had a swastika before the division changed it in 1938. The Italians had a tribe with it too.

 

A single S stylized as a lightning bolt (like the SS were) isn't bad. It's actually a cool symbol.

 

As long as the player is cool and not a dick, I would rather play with him than someone who refuses to play based on how an army is painted.

 

At least one way I can fight against that army and kill them.

 

As a side note, punching or being violent towards people because of a symbol only validates them. You will never convince them they are wrong unless you engage with them in real dialogue, without being an obnoxious person about it.

[m0nolith]

We give symbols the power that they have. If you paint a symbol on your army I don't care. You could paint a swastikia and I still wouldn't care. You could paint a hammer and sickle, and I still wouldn't care.

 

Swastikas were around long before Germany and will be around long after. Heck, my own IBCT (the thunderbird, the 45th) originally had a swastika before the division changed it in 1938. The Italians had a tribe with it too.

 

A single S stylized as a lightning bolt (like the SS were) isn't bad. It's actually a cool symbol.

 

As long as the player is cool and not a dick, I would rather play with him than someone who refuses to play based on how an army is painted.

Context.

If you were to look at a nazi swastika next to a Buddhist or Hindu swastika, you would know which one is which.

 

You can try and do some cognitive gymnastics to justify that your seig heil hand gesture was done by the Romans in ancient times, but you know what you're really doing.

Context.

 

A single sig rune S dosent have to be a nazi symbol, hell even two dosent, look at the band Kiss, but when you paint it on the side of a helmet, well then you have context.

 

The player may not be a dick to me, but It does make me wonder, if you have to go out of your way to paint them specifically as the SS, would he be a dick to me if I was black or Jewish?

 

He can paint them however he chooses, but cognitive gymnastics to justify nazi symbolism when they are well within that context is a moot and hollow point.

[D3L]

in general?

Primaris

[Brother Casman]

Folks, you were warned about discussing real-world politics, and since you continued, we're done here.