Arufel87 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm finding it a bit sad that this character seems so lacklustre in comparison to Typhus. In essence this guy is just a melee beatstick who can improve a melee unit armed with plague weapons. I think that he should have gained the lord's reroll ones aura too. Am I missing something or is Typhus just the go to for most lists? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fhanados Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I totally agree with you. I find the Lord of Contagion very lackluster. I started off using 2 of them, but more recently have dropped to 1. I feel like even with the points decrease he's still too much and I feel like he just doesn't synergise well with anything. I think I'll just use mine as a Chaos Lord with Chainfist from now on. The loss of T5 and DR hurts, but with M5" he can at least plod along with my Plague Marines to give rerolls and be a mean countercharge once they're up close. That said I don't use Blightlord Terminators or Deathshroud. He might have a place dropping in with them but I feel Deathshroud are similarly overcosted and if I'm going to use Blightlords I need to rethink large parts of my list (and buy models I don't own!). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Never used the fatty, and likely won't. I prefer our crappy 'not-actually-a-son-of-Mortarion' Chaos Lord to the Lord of Contagion. At least the Chaos Lord helps all Death Guard units, not just those poking away with plague weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I agree that he should give out the Chaos Lords re-roll, then I would take him. Love the model, which sucks that he isn't great and won't see time over a DP and Typhus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I'll use one to represent my Praetor 10,000 years in the future, but otherwise I'm very disappointed by the entry. He should have been given the re-roll of 1s like previously stated, as well as more weapons options. That just seems to be the trend for 8th Edition codices, lack of options and imagination in that regard. Disappointing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I would have liked a ranged weapon at the very least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I love his rules...in a vacuum. Most other marine units don't get that amount of defensive stats paired with a respectable amount of attacks on a weapon that's better than a relic blade. The problem is typhus exists and is better alone for psychic powers, melee weapon and having a ranged weapon; poxwalker buff pushes him way past the value benchmark. Prince has speed, aura and offence; lord has aura and basement bargain price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 The other side of this bad penny is that Typhus is such a good deal for the points that he is an auto include. He combines an army buff mechanic with a lvl2 psyker and a lord of contagion in one. He should be around the 200 point mark while the lord of contagion should be around 125. The only scenario that I can see him being useful in is a max blob of blightlords or plague marines handing out reroll wounds. Sadly even this can be achieved through other HQs with arch contaminator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I am using 3 of them as my deathshoud terminators as the model is nice but the rules suck. The only benefit is that you can take more than one, but the go to is Typhus and I wouldn't have any use for anymore other than Typhus TBH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Well there's hope GWs going to adjust the points with their chapter approved book already. The chapter approved book was the one with the ~yearly adjustments, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He makes for a killer Blightlord Champion. I've only played two games of 8th with the starter armies, myself. The Lord of Contagion wasn't much cop in either of them, though maybe I was just using him badly or rolling like a goober. Both times I wanted him to carve his way through Intercessor Squads led by Lieutenants. Halandaar and Plaguecaster 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4907997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Well there's hope GWs going to adjust the points with their chapter approved book already. The chapter approved book was the one with the ~yearly adjustments, right? It would be nice to see GW use the Chapter Approved books to adjust points and even rules / options. We all know the lack of wargear options for not only the LoC, but Plague Marine Champion, Blightlord Champion, and the various independent characters is severely disappointing. On LoC vs. Typhus, while Typhus doesn't really benefit the army besides Poxwalker buff and obviously being a Psyker, he's just much more of a sledgehammer as well. Whenever I send him into CC with an enemy, I rarely have any doubt he'll come out on top and I've seen him surprisingly mop the floor with just about any other HQ I've put him base-to-base with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuy Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Give the LoC re-rolls of 1 to hit and get would be a viable alternative to a TDA lord. Mack 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Well there's hope GWs going to adjust the points with their chapter approved book already. The chapter approved book was the one with the ~yearly adjustments, right? It would be nice to see GW use the Chapter Approved books to adjust points and even rules / options. We all know the lack of wargear options for not only the LoC, but Plague Marine Champion, Blightlord Champion, and the various independent characters is severely disappointing. Well I am 100 percent sure the CA will change the points, as it was stated on FLG podcast and by GW itself. Apparently they will even adjust the points for FW. I am not sure on the rules though. But given how they adjusted some of the rules in the new Codices and in FAQs, it is certainly a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Let him be taken as a powered armoured variant then I'd take him as I'd love having more proper death Guard HQs like the plaguecaster (with the stats to show it ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 You lose so much if you go Power Armour though. He would just be a glass cannon that gives a middling buff. The mortal wound proc happening once per game turn really hurts. He needs to be criminally undercosted to be taken, because slow beatsticks are really bad this edition. A bare bones chaos lord is always a better investment because of the aura Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 In that case they should have scrapped the chaos lord altogether and granted the lord of contagion his buffs. Personally, I hate having Toughness 4 models in a deathguard detachment... Plaguecaster, General Strike, Guidebot and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Give the LoC re-rolls of 1 to hit and get would be a viable alternative to a TDA lord. That would make the TDA lord pointless except for his gun option. Which I suppose he should be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guidebot Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) It is basically insane that for like 25pts more (depending on weapon choice for the LoC) you get: -2 Psychic Power attempts, one deny. -A much better melee weapon -A pretty crazy pistol weapon -A buff aura for poxwalkers Makes it basically impossible to play a LoC unless A) you really want to choose a different warlord trait onto your LoC warlord or B.) for some reason you want another after already having taken Typhus. In either case, you'd have to be very naive to believe you weren't taking a relatively bad unit, for the cost, in the LoC. Edited October 14, 2017 by Guidebot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4908741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 What do you guys mean with "The LoC is ... who can improve a melee unit armed with plague weapons."? Are you mixing that up with Arch-Contaminator? The LoC has a Mortal wound on 4+ Aura. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4909382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Yea, I saw that too and was a bit confused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4909440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) True, but most who want to take him will be including him for arch contaminator. The mortal wounds in combat is situational at best from my experience. Edited October 15, 2017 by Arufel87 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4909455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 True, but most who want to take him will be including him for arch contaminator. The mortal wounds in combat is situational at best from my experience. Everyone who can be is going to be arch contaminator. Tallymen, Putrifiers, Plaguecasters, doesn't matter. The only exceptions is Mamon due to his high wound and Toughness making the +1 T or -1 damage attractive, and a Daemon Prince with Plate and 4+ FNP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4909481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 He makes for a killer Blightlord Champion. I've only played two games of 8th with the starter armies, myself. The Lord of Contagion wasn't much cop in either of them, though maybe I was just using him badly or rolling like a goober. Both times I wanted him to carve his way through Intercessor Squads led by Lieutenants. Ah great call on using him as a Blightlord Champion, I think that's what I'll do with mine once Typhus is painted up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340334-lord-of-contagion-a-missed-opportunity/#findComment-4909931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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