Stormwolves vs Stormravens

[aluriel00]

I am really drawn to Storm Wolves because of the Wulfen.

I am really pushed away by their lack of Stormravens.

 

• Stormwolves seem to have weaker guns.
• Stormwolves can't carry dreadnoughts.

My only reason for taking a Stormwolf would be to keep Arjac from falling behind, yet Wolf Guard themselves need a transport like fish need bicycles.

 

Someone please convince me that I'm wrong!

[Ciler]

Weaker guns ? It can have the same loadout as a stormraven : lascanons and multi-melta, and instead of the hurricane bolters it gets hellfrost canon. No missiles, arguably, but "weaker" seems a bit of a stretch.

 

The dreadnough thing is a more valid point imho.

 

On a side note, I'm not sure that SPace WOlves are even allowed stormravens, I do not see them in the list of eligible datasheets on page 130 of the index.

[TheWolfLord]

They aren't allowed Stormravens.

 

Of course some people point to the fact that you lose nothing by taking a mixed Imperium detachment.

 

In my opinion that's a short term view and I certainly wouldn't buy a model knowing it can't benefit from buffs or rerolls affecting Space Wolves and a mixed Imperium detachment stops being viable once the Codex hits.

[TheWolfLord]

Stormwolves are the stronger anti vehicle choice too.

 

The Stormraven gets 2 Lascannon, 2 Multimelta and 2 Missile shots.

 

The Stormwolf gets 2 Lascannon, 4 Multimelta and 2 Helfrost shots.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

also, the tranport capacity needs to be discussed.

 

Sure, the Storm Raven can carry a dreadnought. 

but how many transports can carry a full blood claw pack and a character?

 

once a storm raven drops off a Dreadnought, how many times do you re-embark? Because in my experience, I never have. So what it essentially does is perform the function of an assault vehicle drop pod...from what I understand of 8th ed rules, that is no longer an issue.

so save some points and grab a pod. 

[Ciler]

once a storm raven drops off a Dreadnought, how many times do you re-embark? Because in my experience, I never have. So what it essentially does is perform the function of an assault vehicle drop pod...from what I understand of 8th ed rules, that is no longer an issue.

so save some points and grab a pod.

Those are not comparable. The FW lucius pattern drop pod (only pod that transports dreads) only allows you to deploy more than 9" from enemy models, when you can disembark up to (but not including) 1" from a raven. Furthermore, the Raven also comes loaded with guns and can still transport 12 infantry models. You're not going to match that with another 200 pts vehicle. Edited October 21, 2017 by Ciler

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

once a storm raven drops off a Dreadnought, how many times do you re-embark? Because in my experience, I never have. So what it essentially does is perform the function of an assault vehicle drop pod...from what I understand of 8th ed rules, that is no longer an issue.

so save some points and grab a pod.

Those are not comparable. The FW lucius pattern drop pod (only pod that transports dreads) only allows you to deploy more than 9" from enemy models, when you can disembark up to (but not including) 1" from a raven. Furthermore, the Raven also comes loaded with guns and can still transport 12 infantry models. You're not going to match that with another 200 pts vehicle.

 

 

The distance is an issue, sure, but in my head it's balanced out bu it arriving where you want it to go opposed to the Storm Raven having to fly to that point. The pod may face some intercepting fire, but the amount of AA capable guns in the game make the raven a gamble opposed to the near sure thing of the pod.

 

I personally think the Stormwolf is superior to the Stormraven for the Wolves, but thats up for debate

[Fang_Guard23]

The stormwolf has slightly more firepower than the stormraven

 

After doing some,rolls the stormwolf came on top most of the time. The loadouts for both ships were their most optimal at tank hunting. 

 

Stormraven

* Twin Multi-melta- 2 shots

* Twin Lascannon - 2 shots

* 2 Stormstrike Mssile -2 shots

 

Stormwolf

* 2 Twin Multi-melta's - 4 shots

* 2 Lascannon's - 2 shots

* Twin Helfrost cannon - 2 shots

 

The stormwolf has the stormraven outgunned by two shots, three if you count the potential helfrost effect after the cannon has done damage. the listed stormwolf weapons cause D6 damage per wound, and the HF cannon and MM can knock past a 3+ armor save. 

 

When it comes to transport, the stormwolf is most optimal and effective. basically you can fit 3x5 man power armored squads and an HQ in power armor into the ship. or a 5 man terminator pack and a 5 man power armor squad.

[wilkco]

I think The Storm Raven is better suited for the other chapters as we have our Shield dread +3 invul  save which allows for the slow walk up the field where other chapters do not have the invul save so would want to get their dreads into cc as soon as possible.

 

however the down side with taking your dread that way you have to survive a turn of shooting and smite before you can deploy the dread and If you going up against myself I would shoot everything I had at it in an attempt to kill it before you deploy because that is a lot  CC attacks you want to try and kill off and just imagine the lol's if he got a 1 on the dread after getting shot down :)