Militarum Tempestus in 8th

[zero88]

I think in a pure MT army I would be inclined to run a Tempestor Prime in a Chimera with the laurels of command and the extra order WL trait. With an elite army you need to stretch your orders as much as possible to make your troops as efficient as possible. so staying inside a Chimera and dishing out 3 orders (4 if you burn a CP) that have over a 36" bubble and a good chance of doubling down per unit sounds like a good option. Not sure if anyone has any experience, just my thoughts.

[TheShredder]

I think in a pure MT army I would be inclined to run a Tempestor Prime in a Chimera with the laurels of command and the extra order WL trait. With an elite army you need to stretch your orders as much as possible to make your troops as efficient as possible. so staying inside a Chimera and dishing out 3 orders (4 if you burn a CP) that have over a 36" bubble and a good chance of doubling down per unit sounds like a good option. Not sure if anyone has any experience, just my thoughts.

 

Is it really worth spending a CP each turn for this though? 

[Halfpint100]

you get 1 of each special weapon in each set of 5. So the plasma squad is easy enough. Just get some other bits of ebay for the other weapons are you will be set.

[zero88]

 

I think in a pure MT army I would be inclined to run a Tempestor Prime in a Chimera with the laurels of command and the extra order WL trait. With an elite army you need to stretch your orders as much as possible to make your troops as efficient as possible. so staying inside a Chimera and dishing out 3 orders (4 if you burn a CP) that have over a 36" bubble and a good chance of doubling down per unit sounds like a good option. Not sure if anyone has any experience, just my thoughts.

 

 

Is it really worth spending a CP each turn for this though?

It depends on how a list is built and the opponent, but on foot it's the same thing.. I'd run laurels, a third order, and a vox network. The main point is just to emphasize making all those BS3+ special weapons as efficient as possible

[Altasmurf]

I have a start collecting box of MT, how would you recommend configuring them and what would you recommend expanding them with?

 

Assuming you are only using what you have in the box.

I would start with a Prime with the command rod, and then if you so desire a melee weapon, however they're not required. 

The Taurox I would probably go Taurox Gatling cannon, with Volleyguns, it's just such a useful set up.

For the squads I would do a command squad with 2 x plasma and 2 x meltas

and then a 5 man squad with volley guns. This would be a versatile setup that would be easy to expand upon.

 

The question though is are you expanding to guard in general or pure storm troopers?

[ashc]

 

I have a start collecting box of MT, how would you recommend configuring them and what would you recommend expanding them with?

 

 

 

The question though is are you expanding to guard in general or pure storm troopers?

 

 

Good question. This would be the start of an inquisitorial stormtrooper force, so it would be a pure force.

[TheShredder]

 

It depends on how a list is built and the opponent, but on foot it's the same thing.. I'd run laurels, a third order, and a vox network. The main point is just to emphasize making all those BS3+ special weapons as efficient as possible

 

Yeah, but if you're on foot you don't have to spend a CP each turn to make the Chimera into a Command Vehicle.  

 

Regardless, I agree that Militarum Tempest is probably one of the few armies that can make good use of Vox casters. 

[momerathe]

Regardless, I agree that Militarum Tempest is probably one of the few armies that can make good use of Vox casters.

I'm conflicted by vox. If it was a straight upgrade I'd take it, but it bugs me that you have to lose a gun for it, particularly on command squads where you would get the most benefit. When you consider you need a vox-caster at both ends, the total cost is not that much cheaper than just bringing another Prime.

[TheShredder]

 

Regardless, I agree that Militarum Tempest is probably one of the few armies that can make good use of Vox casters.

I'm conflicted by vox. If it was a straight upgrade I'd take it, but it bugs me that you have to lose a gun for it, particularly on command squads where you would get the most benefit. When you consider you need a vox-caster at both ends, the total cost is not that much cheaper than just bringing another Prime.

 

 

Ah, that's a good point. I hadn't realised you had to take them instead of guns.

 

Yeah, I probably wouldn't bother then.

[Altasmurf]

Yeah voxes are pretty bleah when you give up your hotshot lasgun and pay points for that privilege.

 

@ashc

In that case probably the best place would be another start collecting set. Yeah you wind up with another commissar but you could use him for conversions or somthing. But 4 squads of scions, a tempestus prime or two, and a couple taurox prime is a solid core.

 

What great about it being an inquisitor force is that the add on pieces that don't mess with your doctrines such as psykers, ogryns bodyguards, and valkryie all fit the theme and army.

[Withershadow]

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

[MagicHat]

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

 

I don't see anything about that in the Codex Astra Militarum FAQ? Has there been a version past 1.0?

[Halfpint100]

Yes. For some reason the second edition of the FAQ hasn't been posted up. Try and find it via the Warham met community page

[ashc]

Yeah voxes are pretty bleah when you give up your hotshot lasgun and pay points for that privilege.

@ashc

In that case probably the best place would be another start collecting set. Yeah you wind up with another commissar but you could use him for conversions or somthing. But 4 squads of scions, a tempestus prime or two, and a couple taurox prime is a solid core.

What great about it being an inquisitor force is that the add on pieces that don't mess with your doctrines such as psykers, ogryns bodyguards, and valkryie all fit the theme and army.

Thanks, a second start collecting does look like a good bet! Lots of conflicting ideas on how to kit them out - I suppose it's at least healthy that people are finding that different setups work for them!

[TheShredder]

I've got some more questions for you guys:

 

1) Does anyone make use of Hot-Shot Volley Guns? If so, how do you use them? Do you deep strike them in or start them on the field?

 

2) If you're using Plasmaguns, when (if ever) is it worth using Elimination Protocols Sanctioned over Take Aim?

 

3) Does anyone equip their Tempestor Prime or Scions with melee weapons?

 

4) A question about modelling - is it possible to give a Tempestor Prime a Power Fist? I ask because the MT box seems to have a really nice Power Fist sculpt, yet the only thing I ever see the Prime carrying is that little dagger thing (which doesn't even appear to represent anything).

[zero88]

Volley guns are great, especially for their price. the downside is that Taurox Primes usually bring enough S4 on their own.

 

Take Aim on Plasma is almost always better because in order to be effective versus a vehicle, you need to be supercharged. Unless you have Yarrick nearby or have the Laurels and can pull both orders off. On a melts squad I'd say it's the opposite.

[momerathe]

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

I saw that in the Index FAQ, but didn't see anything in the codex one. I did think it odd that they'd change the rule then revert it, but anything is possible with GW.

[duz_]

 

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

I saw that in the Index FAQ, but didn't see anything in the codex one. I did think it odd that they'd change the rule then revert it, but anything is possible with GW.

Kinda sucks because I now have 7 scion voxcaster that are no longer WYSIWYG as I converted them to having HSLGs and not pistols ... it wasn't even a hard conversion to do. :(

[TheShredder]

So, does anyone know if you can put a Power Fist on the Tempestor Prime model? 

 

 

Volley guns are great, especially for their price. the downside is that Taurox Primes usually bring enough S4 on their own.

 

Do you deep strike them with Volley Guns and take the hit to BS, or set them up on the field and forgo their deep strike ability?

[Altasmurf]

So, does anyone know if you can put a Power Fist on the Tempestor Prime model?

 

 

 

Volley guns are great, especially for their price. the downside is that Taurox Primes usually bring enough S4 on their own.

Do you deep strike them with Volley Guns and take the hit to BS, or set them up on the field and forgo their deep strike ability?

You could probably convert one for the left hand, but you can't do the normal one.

 

I'm mixed on the volleygun but if I have to pick I put 2 on a objective holding squad. If I feel the need I will deepstrike in order to hold a more midfield objective.

[ashc]

So, does anyone know if you can put a Power Fist on the Tempestor Prime model? 

 

 

Volley guns are great, especially for their price. the downside is that Taurox Primes usually bring enough S4 on their own.

 

Do you deep strike them with Volley Guns and take the hit to BS, or set them up on the field and forgo their deep strike ability?

 

There is nothing preventing the Prime taking a powerfist; I would imagine people aren't doing so because they prefer to keep him well away from close combat.

[momerathe]

 

 

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

I saw that in the Index FAQ, but didn't see anything in the codex one. I did think it odd that they'd change the rule then revert it, but anything is possible with GW.

 

Kinda sucks because I now have 7 scion voxcaster that are no longer WYSIWYG as I converted them to having HSLGs and not pistols ... it wasn't even a hard conversion to do.

 

Could this fall under the "used index rules for models that aren't in the codex" thing, I wonder?

[TheShredder]

You could probably convert one for the left hand, but you can't do the normal one.

I'm mixed on the volleygun but if I have to pick I put 2 on a objective holding squad. If I feel the need I will deepstrike in order to hold a more midfield objective.

 

Fair enough regarding Volley Guns.

 

In terms of not being able to put a Power Fist on the Prime model, that's irritating to say the least.

[MagicHat]

Thanks for telling where to find the FAQ momerathe.

 

There are spare holstered hot-shot lasguns in the kit; I assumed that putting those on the vox-guys backpack was the way to do it.

[Major_Gilbear]

 

 

They fixed the hotshot/ Vox conflict on Scion Command Swuads in the FAQ, and we play it as applying to squads too.

I saw that in the Index FAQ, but didn't see anything in the codex one. I did think it odd that they'd change the rule then revert it, but anything is possible with GW.

Kinda sucks because I now have 7 scion voxcaster that are no longer WYSIWYG as I converted them to having HSLGs and not pistols ... it wasn't even a hard conversion to do.

 

1) I would let you use the HS lasguns instead of HS laspistols.

 

2) ???

 

3) Profit.

 

Please, let common sense prevail against the rules-derp, and don't cut up your finished models!

 

 

Edit: updated to greater relevance for Scions.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Major_Gilbear