Alpharius' size

[rendingon1+]

Ok, I'm not sure if I should leave it here or BL forum but the question is: what was the real size of Alpharius?

 

AL had quite a large number of very big legionnaries. Alpharius could easily blend in.

Question: How big they really were?

Pollux size (according to "Crimson Fist" by John French Pollux was a had taller than an armoured IF - I assume that power armour soles would be about 4" high, but that's just me)

Custodes Size? (How tall are Custodes btw)

Other?

 

Not certain about this one but in other FW(or BL, damn) source I read that though Alpharius' stature left no doubt that he was a primarch.

Question: If that is so, how tall was an "average Primarch" and what was the difference between A and one?

 

Now, I know it is my fan theory but... I was wondering - Corx had his shadowwalk/wraith-slip, Curze had his shadow tricks. What if (aside from his mind) Alpharius' power was to "blend in"? To be unknown, confunding the perception of others, unless he revealed himself? In Seventh Serpent and in Praetorian of Dorn he went  unrecognizable until the moment he "revealed" himself. So?

 

His HH:3 rules seems to confirm that cause Pythian Scale is super ornate suit of armour, Alpharius was huge by astartes standards and yet he can go in tactical squad, terminator squd (not sure about recon since it would be a bit silly) and be "ignored" by the enemy. Hm. I know that rules ain't fluff but...

 

 

[Dagoth Ur]

I believe that somebody from FW, very recently too, has suggested that Alpharius/Omegon might also be using "cloaking" devices to blend in with their legionnaries. Read it in some thread in the N&R section too, I think, but don't quote me on this one.

[Brother Styphus]

I've been going with the following size chart, based on descriptions in fluff:

 

Marines: ~7.5-8.5' tall

Abnormally tall marines, primaris marines, Custodes, Alpha/Omega: ~9'

Primarchs: 10-12'

Magnus in chill mode: 14'

[okonomiyakimarine]

if Magnus grew to titan size, why couldn't Alpharius shrink to the height of a mere astartes?

[rendingon1+]

I've been going with the following size chart, based on descriptions in fluff:

 

Marines: ~7.5-8.5' tall

Abnormally tall marines, primaris marines, Custodes, Alpha/Omega: ~9'

Primarchs: 10-12'

Magnus in chill mode: 14'

Interesting! Where's this thing from?

[Demus Ragnok]

if Magnus grew to titan size, why couldn't Alpharius shrink to the height of a mere astartes?

Because Magnus is second only to the E in psychic ability. Alpharius doesn't even rate on that chart.

[slitth]

All the primarchs has a spark of psychic ability.

Some just use it unconsciously.

Perhaps Alpharius use biomancy unconsciously, allowing him to blend in better.

Or perhaps is some kind of passive mind trick that make him seem smaller.

[Grim Dog Studios]

All the primarchs has a spark of psychic ability.

Some just use it unconsciously.

Perhaps Alpharius use biomancy unconsciously, allowing him to blend in better.

Or perhaps is some kind of passive mind trick that make him seem smaller.

 

I like this passive mind trick idea. Very similar to Corax's ability of effectively making himself appear invisible when he is in fact in plain sight.

[Brother Styphus]

 

 

I've been going with the following size chart, based on descriptions in fluff:

 

Marines: ~7.5-8.5' tall

Abnormally tall marines, primaris marines, Custodes, Alpha/Omega: ~9'

Primarchs: 10-12'

Magnus in chill mode: 14'

Interesting! Where's this thing from?

Various books. Humans are usually described at being lower chest height. The first Grey Knights novel has a tall marine that's described as being a head taller than everyone (when not in armor), Legion has the one exceptionally tall marine that Alpha and Omeg play I am Sparticus with. Custodes being described as just shorter than standard primarchs. Primaris being noticibly taller than marines, but definitely shorter than Ruby Gooberman.

[slitth]

 

All the primarchs has a spark of psychic ability.

Some just use it unconsciously.

Perhaps Alpharius use biomancy unconsciously, allowing him to blend in better.

Or perhaps is some kind of passive mind trick that make him seem smaller.

 

I like this passive mind trick idea. Very similar to Corax's ability of effectively making himself appear invisible when he is in fact in plain sight.

 

 

I personal prefer the idea of Alpharius being a passive master of biomancy, as it can explain a lot.

Like why he became a twin. He simply decided to be of 2 bodies.

Why his blood can contain more of himself as seen in "the serpent beneath"

Why the Legion was hold back and keep under observation.

 

But a more likely explanation is that he is just a little above astarte size.

And the blood trick shown in "the serpent beneath" is nothing special for a primarch.

 

Still the idea of passive master of biomancy would let Alpharius do crazy things, like body jumping to an astarte of his own legion if he is close enough to one when he dies.

[okonomiyakimarine]

 

if Magnus grew to titan size, why couldn't Alpharius shrink to the height of a mere astartes?

Because Magnus is second only to the E in psychic ability. Alpharius doesn't even rate on that chart.

 

True (to an extent).

 

Obviously Magnus is the great psyker next to the Emp, yet all Primarchs have skills that signify at least some connection to psykic abilities. We have to consider that Magnus (1) grew up on Prospero (a totally psykic place), he (2) was mentored by Amon and (3) was found by the Emp for them 'meeting' in the warp. If I remember correctly he also (4) has spent a significant time with his gene-father, among other "scholars things" reaching into the warp.

 

My point is that Magnus for various reason had the possibility to become the biggest psyker (pun/no pun). If he were conditioned differently he might have developed other skills that probably would not made him psyker-sorcerer, but somebody with special 'tactical' abilities like Corax or Alpharius. 

 

In the universe of 30k/40k, where the warp is used equally by 'good' (Emp) and 'evil' (daemons), it makes sense that most inhuman skills and abilities transcending these by gen-engineered Astartes are based on the same powers, but manifest to various degrees among the Primarchs.

Edited October 28, 2017 by okonomiyakimarine

[Kinstryfe]

 

 

All the primarchs has a spark of psychic ability.

Some just use it unconsciously.

Perhaps Alpharius use biomancy unconsciously, allowing him to blend in better.

Or perhaps is some kind of passive mind trick that make him seem smaller.

 

 

I like this passive mind trick idea. Very similar to Corax's ability of effectively making himself appear invisible when he is in fact in plain sight.

 

I personal prefer the idea of Alpharius being a passive master of biomancy, as it can explain a lot.

Like why he became a twin. He simply decided to be of 2 bodies.

Why his blood can contain more of himself as seen in "the serpent beneath"

Why the Legion was hold back and keep under observation.

 

But a more likely explanation is that he is just a little above astarte size.

And the blood trick shown in "the serpent beneath" is nothing special for a primarch.

 

Still the idea of passive master of biomancy would let Alpharius do crazy things, like body jumping to an astarte of his own legion if he is close enough to one when he dies.

But if any Primarch could do the blood trick, that would mean the the Blood Angels would all be messed up and think that they're.....

Yup, I'm gonna say that Primarch blood is all kinds of interesting stuff that they should explore more.

Now, what happens when some Alphas feed some Alpharius blood to other strains of Marines...

[slitth]

But if any Primarch could do the blood trick, that would mean the the Blood Angels would all be messed up and think that they're.....

Yup, I'm gonna say that Primarch blood is all kinds of interesting stuff that they should explore more.

Now, what happens when some Alphas feed some Alpharius blood to other strains of Marines...

 

 

That would depend entirely on how Primarchs physiology works.

If the blood trick is a part of normal Primarch deal the I do not think that it will do much more than give them some of his memory.

And that Alpharius was just a 9' tall Primarch that would still be able to kill most things he encountered.

 

But if there is something special about Alpharius blood...

That something to think about. Especially if it can turn a astarte into a host for the Alpharius spirit.

Effectively changing his physiology from a astarte to some closer to a Primarch.

And if it can do that, what could it do to another Primarch?

Could the Battle of Eskrador be a ploy to turn Guilliman into Omegon?

Could this be the Alpha Legion's current main objective?

Are they waiting for their prey to return so they can restore what they have lost?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I feel that since they are twins that somewhat diminished each as an individual.