Fire Raptor vs Storm Eagle

[Indefragable]

Hey folks,

 

Looking to get feedback and experiences from people who have used either or both of the above.

 

Are there any X-factors to either?

 

The Storm Eagle seems like “just” an up kitted version of a Stormraven while the Fire Raptor puts out a high volume of D:2 shots which is rare.

 

Also, I would be using them in both 40k and 30k, so are there any nuances to consider there? There are no aerial transports in 30k (without going Thunderhawk/Stormbird) so that could be a factor.

 

Cake or death? I’ll have the chicken:

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Xiphon Interceptor

 

Seems like a great (but expensive) alternative to a Stormtalon for our purposes. Not as versatile as the talon, but better at tank hunting and AA with 4x lascannon shots, hitting Fly units on a 2+.

 

A pair of these escorting a storm raven would do VeRY nicely.

 

Besides the FW factor...how come we don’t see more of these?

 

[Quixus]

Why are you comparing the Xiphon to the Stormtalon isn't the Stormhawk Interceptor the fighterplane?

 

Also, which GW publication says that BA can use either?

[Jolemai]

The main thing is cost, be it pointwise or ££. I happen to think they are all pretty decent and the di-Xiphon - Stormraven Flyerwing combination, is, IMO,pretty nasty (another reason why it's not used as going down the maximum flyer route early on this edition was frowned upon).

 

 

 

Also, which GW publication says that BA can use either?

FW FAQ'd it to confirm we can use anything in their relevant book with the <Chapter> keyword.

[Quixus]

FW FAQ'd it to confirm we can use anything in their relevant book with the <Chapter> keyword.

But how does a Forgeworld FAQ apply to the Stormatalon/Stormhawk?

[Jolemai]

My apologies, I read the above as you were talking about FW. As for the above, until we get our Codex we are free to do the "Imperial Soup" type lists without penalty. No?

Or is now compounded by the release of the Marine Codex?

[Quixus]

If there are

My apologies, I read the above as you were talking about FW. As for the above, until we get our Codex we are free to do the "Imperial Soup" type lists without penalty. No?

Or is now compounded by the release of the Marine Codex?

Yup, unless you put all flyers in a separate detachment (Air Wing), they will lose their chapter tactics. Also SM Stormravens cannot transport BA Edited October 31, 2017 by Quixus

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BA can’t take Stormtalons of Stormhawks, so I was using Xiphon as a point of comparison to both.

 

You can get 2x for 84 Melta Bombs or an upgunned Fire Raptor for 84 Melta Bombs + change.

[OrbOfAntioch]

Fire Raptor is amazing. However. It Is Expensive. It's more than 100 pts over a Storm Raven for the same amount of wounds.

It's a fun toy, especially in large games, but in 2k tournaments I'd think twice because it is just a lot of points in one basket.