Rommel44 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Hey mates. With 8th Edition being around for a bit and me taking a break to focus on other things, I have a few questions in regards to them. * Any word on Sisters getting a new Codec or any models at this point? * What is an effective way to run them this edition? Would think that Mechanized is the way to go but I could be wrong. * Army lists and tactics that work well this edition. Pretty obvious if you are not running Saint Celestine then you better have a good reason lol. Other the that I would greatly appreciate the help and advice that you can give me mates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helvner Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 ive been having alot of luck with a mechanized list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Hey mates. With 8th Edition being around for a bit and me taking a break to focus on other things, I have a few questions in regards to them. * Any word on Sisters getting a new Codec or any models at this point? * What is an effective way to run them this edition? Would think that Mechanized is the way to go but I could be wrong. * Army lists and tactics that work well this edition. Pretty obvious if you are not running Saint Celestine then you better have a good reason lol. Other the that I would greatly appreciate the help and advice that you can give me mates. Just rumors thus far about Codex and new models. I have been able to run Sisters just about any way. Celestine is a rock star! My advice at this point: -Don't use hand flamers for Seraphim, take the inferno pistols -Stick an Imagifier next to a Heavy Bolter Retributor squad -In 2,000+ games bring all the Imagifiers you own -I now only use the extra attack on the charge Warlord trait for Celestine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Mechanized is great, but I've found it better to do minimum sized squads with maximum number of special/heavy weapons packed two squads to a rhino than to field ten sister squads in rhinos. Currently I run five five woman Battle Sister squads with heavy flamer, flamer, combi-flamer in three rhinos (the odd squad out gets joined by a Retributor squad with four heavy flamers and a combi-flamer). It's flexible, fast, and dangerous close up. It also really discourages people from counter charging your force. Edited November 2, 2017 by Ficinus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxlight713 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Hey mates. With 8th Edition being around for a bit and me taking a break to focus on other things, I have a few questions in regards to them. * Any word on Sisters getting a new Codec or any models at this point? others would be able to answer the other questions better than I, however for this one nobody know's. It's all up in the air with rumors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1) Any word on Sisters getting a new Codec or any models at this point? 2) What is an effective way to run them this edition? Would think that Mechanized is the way to go but I could be wrong. 3) Army lists and tactics that work well this edition. Pretty obvious if you are not running Saint Celestine then you better have a good reason lol. 1) None, other than the usual 'plastic thunderhawk, squats, and sisters' joke. 2) Celestine (optionally with inferno pistol seraphim) using faith to jump up the board early. Dominions/BSS in repressors - meltaguns and stormbolters, and you can double-stack squads in the transport to squeeze points. 3) Bum-rush index opponents. You aren't going to win a long ranged exchange of fire and your deepstrike options are terrible so you need to get up in numbers early. Against the newer shiner stuff like mortarion you may want to look to non sister counts-as units like predators (who bring 3-4 times the firepower for the same model count with lascannons and killshot) and out of codex deepstrike options. Pick and choose your imagifier use, heavy bolter rets & imagifier(s) vs two whole squads of heavy bolter rets (for instance). If you are using banners/medics/canonesses/etc plan on how to get them in place for the units who need them but cannot ride with them - seraphim and dominions. Target saturation as you will take casualties, aside from multiple seraphim squads who will suffer from lack of faith in larger numbers. Expect any larger squads you use to take a hammering from moral. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Welcome back! I have super limited experience with 8E now but to add some of the “conventional wisdom” I’ve not seen mentioned yet, storm bolters are a very solid choice now, especially at 2 points. Actually I think that’s all I have to add :D That and that there’s almost always a Sisters rumor go Be around and that I’m not getting my hopes up for new models. Hopefully we’ll show up in a Codex at some point :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Oh, also: take a squad of Seraphim so you have a chance of essentially winning the Relic mission turn one. It's not the most sporting way to play perhaps, but it's effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Find a way to convert up some Repressors. Combined with Dominion squads they can create quite a bit of alpha strike goodness. I prefer to double up 5 strong Dominion squads in a single repressor, one with five stormbolters and the other with four meltaguns and a stormbolter on the Superior. At least until I fill up my Outrider detachment, after that I usually run single squads of SB Doms in Repressors or Immolators of the flamer variety. I have had good experiences with 15 strong BSS, usually with no upgrades, paired with an Imagifer and or Hospitaller that I use to direct all the Smite attacks away from my more important units I would rather not have taking mortal wounds. Edited November 2, 2017 by dracpanzer Beams 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helvner Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 repressor's packed with dominion squads is very nice combo, hvy flamer ret squads are ok aswell Montford 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Against the newer shiner stuff like mortarion you may want to look to non sister counts-as units like predators (who bring 3-4 times the firepower for the same model count with lascannons and killshot) and out of codex deepstrike options. I have been using Guard allies since allies came back so I may be biased, but the new Leman Russ battle cannons are a nice fit. (LR can double fire their turret weapon if they move 1/2 their movement or less) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Against the newer shiner stuff like mortarion you may want to look to non sister counts-as units like predators (who bring 3-4 times the firepower for the same model count with lascannons and killshot) and out of codex deepstrike options. I have been using Guard allies since allies came back so I may be biased, but the new Leman Russ battle cannons are a nice fit. (LR can double fire their turret weapon if they move 1/2 their movement or less) I'm a fan of using guard for some cheap command points and long range firepower to augment my first turn Sororitas blitzkreig. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I have been using Guard allies since allies came back so I may be biased, but the new Leman Russ battle cannons are a nice fit. (LR can double fire their turret weapon if they move 1/2 their movement or less) Yes, between double shooting and faction benefits they are much much shootier (and some of the forgeworld version even more so). In this case it's less a matter of which to take and more a matter of not taking the exorcist to deal with the really big targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I have been using Guard allies since allies came back so I may be biased, but the new Leman Russ battle cannons are a nice fit. (LR can double fire their turret weapon if they move 1/2 their movement or less) Holy crap. I bought the Guard codex the other day but hadn't noticed that yet. That is some next-level firepower indeed. I only have one LR though (the "Demolisher" kit). I really like that Heavy Bolters are a bit better on infantry now. I've always liked them visually and such, at least now they aren't so immobile anymore. Maybe I'll even get around to painting my four HB Sisters some day ;) I'm not too keen on buying the Index at this point, though, so my Sisters may have to wait until whatever new book they are in arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'm not too keen on buying the Index at this point, though, so my Sisters may have to wait until whatever new book they are in arrives.I've got my doubts that that'll happen anytime soon. Though the Guard book is fairly recent, maybe you've got a guard buddy who now finds his index to be largely surplus to his needs and you can score it cheap, or just arrange an indefinite loan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I don't really have any regular gaming buddies or such (I haven't even played a game since January, and before that it was nearly two years without a game), and none of the irregulars play Guard either. But as I recall GW's aim was to have all codices out by spring? At any rate, without Indexes my Custodes squad, Sisters of Silence squad and even the Deathwatch I have are out of the action even if I do get games arranged. And I have that one Skitarii starter box but not the Codex. Sucks buying codices as it is, never mind for such a small contingent! I even bought the DW Codex about a year ago, and look at how that turned out... never even got a game out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4922983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rommel44 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 Appreciate the feedback so far mates. As it stands, if I do go this route, the game-plan is to start out simple: * Saint Celestine (obviously) * Squad of 10x Seraphim * 2x to 3x Squads of 5x to 6x Sisters in Immolators * Avenger Strike Fighter for Air Support * 2x Exorcists That's the idea anyways to start off running an Immolator spam list. Or is that particular list not worth it in this edition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 * Avenger Strike Fighter for Air Support * 2x Exorcists I've not tried the avenger so far in 8th. Exorcists though are puffed up razorbacks - they'll give a good scare to terminators and primaris infantry but make sure you've got melta to deal with heavier stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I wouldnt waste time on the avenger strike fighter inless you have points to burn. Every game ive had with it, it has been an abysmal performer. Between not capturing objectives and ALL its weapons being Heavy thus needing 4+ to hit anything and having to keep moving all the time; the avenger is probably the one forge world unit with non-OP rules. Youre better off taking more dominions or seraphim or pretty much anything in our index. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Regarding the Exorcist, I'd just like to mention that you can't discount T8 over T7. It's a pretty solid boost against things like Space Marines dracpanzer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracpanzer Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Agreed, Exorcists are great at killing heavy infantry. Point for point better than two HB ret squads? I dunno, but they definitely look cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekhitar Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I usually run the avenger as an add-on to my 2000pt brigade. I’ve been very fond of it - taking it with the autocannon add-on. It hugely benefits from split fire, and is no longer the paper airplane it once was, but rather, one of the tankiest things we can field! I fight a lot of marines, and the autocannon is ideal for bikes and termies; the main cannon usually targets marines; and the lascannon, of course, is a great add for long range AT, which we can always use help with. I even like the heavy stubber for cleaning up the last model(s) in a squad. It’s a good fun platform to shoot last / run cleanup, and puts out a lot of firepower for the cost, without being limited by firing arcs, too. Plan its positioning 2 or 3 turns ahead, though, or you will have nowhere to land it and will lose it. Not having a hover option hurts! As for immo spam: I usually take 3 with flamers, and they are amazing support. They tend to do a lot of falling back and flaming in overwatch, or else are super mobile and aggressive. I like fielding melta battle sisters inside them for the anti vehicle counter punch. Dominions have gone from must-field units to a very rare sight in my lists, with seraphim taking their place in fast attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Holy crap. I bought the Guard codex the other day but hadn't noticed that yet. It was part of rebalacing in their FAQ.. But I think we are getting off topic so check the AM forum for more details. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 See, I love Seraphim, but at 110 USD for @ full squad, I just cant justify buying any more... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkde Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I've had good luck fielding 3 exo's and a squad of 7 HB rets with a backfield cannoness. T8 is a hige difference vs. T7, and makes the Exo's quite tanky. Having 3 + cannoness also helps balance out the odds for shots. Flamer immos are great! The 12" flamer is so much better than 8"! Plus being able to advance and shoot means my immos are always moving 13" per turn. And agreed on the Seraphim. They're amazing but so pricey. Ebay prices aren't much better, but unfortunately it's probably the best place to look. I managed to scoop up 10 for $100 CAD ($80 USD). I've been running mine as one large squad with melta pistols and a small squad with no upgrades for late game objective capturing Mekhitar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340970-sisters-in-8th-edition/#findComment-4923492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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