Best Imperial HQs for a Vanguard detachment?

[Gentlemanloser]

I'm looking to include a few Culexes Assassins, which necessitate a seperate detachment to my GK (not losing our Chapter Tactic!).

 

Which Imperial HQ would you use?

Edited November 6, 2017 by Gentlemanloser

[Danarc]

Inquisitor. Cheap, useful and you can embarked him in GK transports.

[Gentlemanloser]

Apart from smite, what does he do though?

[Capt. Mytre]

Apart from smite, what does he do though?

 

Smite/Terrify (no overwatch/-1 LD)/Dominate (shot once or make a single melee attack, characters only).

 

You're not going to beat that for the price of 55 points. You can use a primaris psyker, but they are useless for us because they are stuck backfield and can't use their powers, as well as their powers mostly being either offensive or defensive but only apply to Astra Mil.

 

At least a Inq can jump in any of our transports and actually make use of smites/other abilities.

Edited November 5, 2017 by Capt. Mytre

[Gentlemanloser]

You wouldn't plump for someone more expensive like Celestine?

 

Or a Scion Prime?

[Capt. Mytre]

You wouldn't plump for someone more expensive like Celestine?

 

Or a Scion Prime?

 

You're already starved for points. Whatever you bring needs to fill a certain role or be cheap enough of a HQ tax to make assassins worth it.

[Corvus Fortis]

Inquisitors certainly have sinergy with GK. They can be trasported in a Raven or Razroback or even deepstrike if in TDA. They can bring some plasma to help too. But their strongest side is Terrify. It denies overwatch granting safe charges against nasty things like Repulsors or Hellblasters. -1 Ld + Purge Soul combo helps to deal with hidden characters.

[CCE1981]

Tempestus Prime for 40pts, use the Command Point(CP) to buy Khurav’s Aquila, on a 5+ you gain a CP whenever your opponent uses a Strategem. Keep him in reserve until the last turn, and drop him out of combat.

[Gentlemanloser]

Oh sneaky.

[Godeskian]

That is deliciously nasty. Sorry Inquisitor, you've been replaced

[Capt. Mytre]

Tempestus Prime for 40pts, use the Command Point(CP) to buy Khurav’s Aquila, on a 5+ you gain a CP whenever your opponent uses a Strategem. Keep him in reserve until the last turn, and drop him out of combat.

 

Not worth it unless you're versing someone that can spam strats (Ultrasmurfs or AM).

 

6 points for a regular game with GK at 2k points, who are already CP starved. Assuming the enemy has about the same, that's 6 points to them. You lose one for gaining the relic. Best case scenario, the enemy uses 6 x 1 point strats - you gain 2 on average, bringing you up to 7 over the game, but also leaving you at 5 points from turn 1 and not knowing when or if you will get any more. If the enemy uses multi-point strats, it significantly reduces the chance of getting your points back.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Capt. Mytre

[Godeskian]

Actually, if you're taking a 3 assassins Vanguard detachment, you are essentially spending the cp you get for the detachment on the relic.

 

And don't forget, using a cp to reroll a dice is technically a strategem

[Capt. Mytre]

Actually, if you're taking a 3 assassins Vanguard detachment, you are essentially spending the cp you get for the detachment on the relic.

 

And don't forget, using a cp to reroll a dice is technically a strategem

 

It doesn't change the fact that it mathematically doesn't benefit you that much. Your opponent needs to use 6 stratagems on average to come out on top, meanwhile you're down one until your opponent uses a stratagem and you get a 5+, which might be never.

 

Verse armies that can spam strats or easily amass CP, it makes sense, but it isn't something that trumps all other options for the slot.

[Godeskian]

I don't consider it being down one personally, since you also gain one, but the rest of your point is well taken.

 

What would you suggest?

[Capt. Mytre]

I don't consider it being down one personally, since you also gain one, but the rest of your point is well taken.

 

What would you suggest?

 

If you run an Inq, just drop them out of whatever transport you can near the enemy. Put them behind some troops and just smite every turn. 1-3 wounds per turn isn't bad. Can also just leave them on an objective and since they are a character, can't be shot unless they drop some units near by.

[Gentlemanloser]

Last match i faced a nid brigade with 12. It would be worth it facing that.

[Danarc]

Moreover you can't keep the tempest outside until the last torun, at 3rd he must to enter. Your opponent has all the time he need to kill him. And he burn one slot for your reserve units.

 

According to this and to the other evaluation I don't think that the Tempestor prime is a good choice.

[Zamtro]

I like using Hektor Rex for exactly this. Storm shield makes him fairly tough, TDA for deepstrike along with your paladins etc, and he casts i think 2 and denies 3 powers a turn (Don't quote me i don't have my book in front of me) all for around 115 points. Terrify is good for your mind battles, plus no overwatch and can throw a normal smite too, but if you're point starved, hard to go past a bog stock inquisitor!

[Armament81]

Personally if your trying to do some anti-psyker stuff, Greyfex is a great HQ to add with the assassins and only 30 more points than a generic Inquisitor.

[Prot]

Personally if your trying to do some anti-psyker stuff, Greyfex is a great HQ to add with the assassins and only 30 more points than a generic Inquisitor.

I do like Greyfax but more so in 7th than now. However I think most people are looking for a way to take a Culexus without suffering a

penalty. She s not bad though. I’m a sucker for the fig too.

[Armament81]

Yea the model definitely helps sway me for sure.

 

So I have had to contend with some serious Smite spam of late in my Meta from Tzench players, so I ended up making this little detachment:

 

Vanguard Detachment,  471 pts

HQ

- Inquisitor Greyfex (with Terify)

Elites

- 1 Acolyte with a Needle Pistol

- Jokaero Weapon smith (For helping Greyfex snipe Malefic Lords) 

- 2 Culexus Assassins

- 7 women Prosecutors unit

Transport

- Null-Maiden Rhino

 

I like the combo of the assassins with the Sisters, since their abilities stack granting a -3 to anyone close to the unit and at least one of the assassins.  And, they can snipe the damn lords too.

 

That being said, this is whats working for me, you can definitely pair it down.  Toss the sisters, their rhino, the weapon smith, make Greyfex a generic inquisitor and drop the 2 point pistol on the acolyte and you have a pretty cheap vanguard detachment at that point.

Edited November 15, 2017 by Armament81